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SolaGratia
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clsmooth
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Why can't I choose Fred Thompson as a candidate I support?

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Started: 12/13/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 2,125 times Debate No: 358
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SolaGratia

Con

It is ludicrous that I am unable to select Fred Thompson as my candidate for the 2008 election; especially when unknowns like Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, Sam Brownback and Tommy Thompson (who both pulled out of the race months ago) are included in the list. By all accounts Fred Thompson is beating John McCain and Ron Paul, both of whom are on the list, in the polls, and he isn't that far behind the three-way tie for first between Huckabee, Romney, and Giuliani. This should be remedied. I have sent a comment to Debate.org, but have received no answer.
clsmooth

Pro

The question of this debate is why you can't choose Fred Thompson as the candidate you support?

I will debate that the reason why is that Debate.org complied the list of candidates before Fred Thompson officially announced his candidacy. He was the last of the major candidates to do so. Further evidence to suggest this is the case is the fact that Tommy Thompson, who left the race before Fred Thompson entered, is still listed as an option. It seems clear that if Debate.org put together the candidate lists after Tommy Thompson dropped out of the race, they would not have included him. And thus, if they did put together the candidates list before Tommy Thompson dropped out, obviously this was before Fred officially announced he was in. Luckily (for clarity's sake), both Thompsons were never in at the same time!
Debate Round No. 1
SolaGratia

Con

Yes, I thought that must have been what happened. However, that was several months ago now. I wish they would make more of an effort to keep it updated.
clsmooth

Pro

I agree that they should eliminate Tommy Thompson (and Sam Brownback) and add Fred Thompson. However, the question of this debate was "Why can't I choose Fred Thompson as a candidate I support?" Although I do not know the answer for sure, I have presented a logical argument based on a fairly solid hypothesis. I guess your job in this debate was to show my evidence didn't make sense. I took this debate because I thought it would be funny to debate such a question under the traditional rules of a debate.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by SolaGratia 9 years ago
SolaGratia
Why don't we all take a deep breath. I asked this question/debate on debate.org for the sole reason that it pertains to Debate.org. Why are you beating up on my opponent? It's inevitable that things like this are going to happen.
Posted by nrw 9 years ago
nrw
haha yea, i agree the debate got rediculous - however the essential part of the debate is lost when he is advocating at the beginning that all candidates should be listed - i find everything else kind of irrelevant
Posted by clsmooth 9 years ago
clsmooth
nrw - Well, this was a weird debate for sure. But my take on it is that I answered the question with a hypothesis. There was nothing for the Pro side to debate at the beginning, but once I made my hypothesis, if he wanted to take the debate to its absurd conclusion, he should have debated that my hypothesis was not a good one. That's my take, at least.
Posted by clsmooth 9 years ago
clsmooth
I took this seriously as a debate because I thought it was funny.

But what I stated is not a fact. It is a guess. I supplied evidence for the guess.

Oh, and anyone who read this and replied saying that we are "tools" is in fact a tool. The debate was posted, someone had to take the con side!
Posted by Korezaan 9 years ago
Korezaan
Pro provides an argument that stands true, but does not defeat the position of Con. You're right, the debate TITLE says "why can't I choose Fred Thompson as a candidate I support", and sure, you answer the question.

But this is Debate.org. Not Ask.com.

SolaGratia can't debate against your argument, because it isn't one. You just gave a fact.

You proved the title true but you did not prove his argument in R1 false. Your position as Pro, in my opinion, is to prove why not being able to pick Fred Thompson as a candidate you support is NOT ludicrous. Which you didn't.

RFD: Con
Posted by nrw 9 years ago
nrw
clsmooth

why would you take the other side on this debate?

the con argues that fred thompson should be on the list

all candidates should be on the list

really, its irrelevant why they aren't on the list

solagratia is right - all candidates running for presidency should be able to be chosen.

i always vote for you clsmooth - you are a good debater, but you missed the boat a little on this one - but you were right at the end - it was interesting to see how this plays out under traditional rules of debate, and i think arguments about that the site isnt updated are irrelevant - solagratia argues fred should be on the list - and i agree because you, under traditional rules of debate, would have to take the stance that, "no, he should not be on the list"

you essentially are forced to conceede
Posted by dulinl 9 years ago
dulinl
Shut up tight A**! We don't have to act the way you want. This isn't your website. If you don't like the debate move on, Tard!
Posted by DwightB 9 years ago
DwightB
This debate is ridiculous. It's not even a debate. This belongs in a faq section. It's like you are playing roles. You are acting like parodies of debaters. Why use overly formal and elaborate forms of speech for just asking a simple question: "Why isn't Fred Thompson on the site?", and a simple answer, because the site isn't up to date. You both look like total tools trying to sound smarter than you are.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
I am TOTALLY ON BOARD HERE

FRED IS DA MAN!

GO FRED GO!
Posted by kels1123 9 years ago
kels1123
I left mine blank , because I honestly haven't decided yet who I will vote for. I am waiting to see all the information I can get . The election is still a long ways away , things can always change.
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