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Thiest_1998
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FollowerofChrist1955
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Why did God of the Bible create us

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Started: 6/28/2016 Category: Religion
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Thiest_1998

Pro

This is just a topic based for Christian to talk about not really a debate about why you think God created us please share your comments below :)

God Bless!!!!!!!!
FollowerofChrist1955

Con

God has servants, multiples of servants .... what He did not have is creations with which he could commune. Those chosen specifically for the purpose of one on one communication, servants .... yes, but more ..... servants who by their own accord Have CHOSEN to serve Him. It is for this purpose we are and were created.

To understand the significants, imagine yourself as a King (not to far off topic) At any rate ... as king you have servants by nature of position, all servants will respond to you as King, some may talk to you with more familiarity, but they will always treat you and respond towards you as King First!

It doesn't take long to realize that despite the luxuries of being King, unless you produce offspring your never gonna have a one on one discussion with a soul who sees you as Father First, not King, one who you Love AS Father, not just as King. Now The King HAS the communication He has always desired .... a one on one open communication with His child, who not only Loves Him deeply, but who also SHARES his most treasured thoughts and experiences with Him.

Most of us can actually associate with that among our own Fathers and daughters and sons. My son shares very precious moments, he of course is only doing what IS natural ... he is sharing his toughts, with his father .... what he does NOT realize, is just how treasured those communications are too ME? Having grandchildren extends that communication, expands that sharing, now I have multiple children, all of who Love me as grandpa, Share their experiences, thoughts and lives with me all the time though emails, letters, not because they have too, because they want to ..... I'm grandpa, not King, they willfully CHOOSE to love me, and because they DO they respond in kind, because it is Heartfelt, not forced, not required of them.

This IS our purpose of creation. We are Children of the King, we CHOOSE to love Him by our own accord, He is OUR Father and by His gracious mercy He has provided the way for open communication ... we can go straight to the top! We can and DO share our thoughts, troubles openly with Him yes, but we also share our successes, our hopes, dreams, thoughts, visions of tommorrow. We share our children and grandchildren with Him, We hold them up before His throne were He can see them, where He can know them. We openly discuss them, both good and bad, we cry at His feet, we smile at His feet, We look up longingly with an earnest desire and expectation for Him to come for us, yet we show Him our trust, confidence and open desire to continue His ministry upon the Earth while we await His coming .... no, it's not hard to know WHY we were created, you need only be a parent to know the need, the want the desire of being Loved, not because you are King .... but because you are OUR FATHER .... and you are LOVED without condition, and will be the whole of our existence!

Our Father then does precisely what we as fathers do, doesn't He? WE support our children in and throughout their journey, we provide for the needs first, then their wants as they are made known. WE provide financially, nutritionally, emotionally, spiritually, psychologically, and we do it because it PLEASES us to do so, we are not forced to do this ... it IS our pleasure to do it. Is it a wonder that our heavenly Father does the same?

When we through the reading of His word, begin to consume it as John did with the scroll, in Revelation, as we digest it and its nutrients begin to absorb into our spiritual Life .... we gain prospective, our eyes are opened, our spirits quickened. We now begin to understand the meanings behind the words ... we now KNOW WHY we require no teacher to interpret for us ... we realize that all along it was God Himself who has taken up our education, our growth in His word. Honestly, who BETTER to teach the word Than God Himself? We realize then that there IS no denomination save one .... the Children of God. We then know that the focus of God is in His son .... whose blood is for the remission and forgiveness of sin, having paid our debt for us, on the cross, having DIED a criminals death, and was raised victorious over Hell, death and the Grave on the third day, raised BODILY and sits at the right hand of the Father. Through His mercy we recieve His Spirit (Holy Spirit) which takes up our learning, quickens us, guides us, loves us, helps us, keeps us ..... oh yes, it is not hard to know why we were created, one need only understand Him, and He grants us His wisdom too understand Him, doesn't He?


John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

1 John 2:27
And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.











Phillipians 3:15





All of us who are mature should embrace this point of view. And if you think differently about some issue, God will reveal this to you as well.


Scriptures against mankind interpreting Gods word;

2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.
2 Peter 1:21
For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

***Note this accounts for the 33,820 Christian denominations existence ... they INTERPRET what is not for them to interpret thus they become mislead by cunning and craftiness of man***

***No that doesn't mean they are all wrong in worship only in bylaws, so long as the stay true to Gods word, God does continue to thrive among them as He wills!***

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope.

2 samuel 23:2
"The Spirit of the LORD spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue.
Debate Round No. 1
Thiest_1998

Pro

I think for emotional reasons He could have just made us as robot and forced us to love and worship him but that wouldn't mean anything I think to create someone and them genuinely wanting to love you and worship you means more and the fact.

Just a question for you if you had all the wealth and power in the world would you rather share it with those you love or keep it to yourself.

Its amazing to think that He would love us soo much that after all of the bad things we've done he wants a relationship with us what a wonderful God we serve. AMEN

Sorry I've been busy the last couple of days so I had to rush this argument.
FollowerofChrist1955

Con

Mans problems questions and postulations are born of lack of ability to percieve outside time. God being not constrained by time, and having insights not available to common man, has no questions or thoughts comparable to mankind. His thoughts as scripture points out is unlike man.

As to your question, parents DO share all they have with their children and leave it to them as inheritance. If we being evil, can give such good things to our children how much more will God give to those who love Him. Emotions while human create most of our problems as a group. We imagine a thing as true when it is not. It elevates to a higher level, things that ought not be elevated, it persuades us in our wants and desires. It false in most situations and circumstances, which is why even man says to avoid making decisions when you are emotional.

All the more imporatant as followers of God. By requirement we are to DIE to the self, this implies that emotions must also go. You can do or say anything you want to someone whose dead and you'll get no response from him cause he's dead. So too are we to consider ourselves, seeing only that which is of God.

I have discovered that the more you die to the self, and the more you study Gods word, you begin to speak in scripture, even when it is not planned. What I have also noticed is that I have less disagreements with believers as scripture is scripture and cannot be argued as to it's content. Some I note have a surface understanding while others have spent a great deal of time with the Lord lerning the meanings behind scriptures.

As we learn God shows us the reasons, behind scriptures, opens the doors of scripture allowing us a glimpse of tomorrow. I recently had a debate where I was informed of there being 33,820 Christian religions. I explained to the gentlemen that the reason for this was clear. Just as Charles Taze Russel of the Jehovah's witnesses, organization had problems with Hell, among other things discussed in the Bible, he set about adjusting the bible, to is particular beliefs. This IS where he blew it and WHY they are so lost when it comes to scriptures.

All denominations that exist exist because a founder somewhere, might have had a problem with certain scriptures. Here's the thing though. God does not require our opinion, we are to accept His words, until such time as he makes it's meaning clear. Fr example the scriptures point out very emphatically that we are NOT to interpret the scriptures, yet everybody does it.

here:

2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.

2 Peter 1:21
For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,



John 6:45 It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

1 John 2:27
And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.

Philippians 3:15
All of us who are mature should embrace this point of view. And if you think differently about some issue, God will reveal this to you as well.


Because man has violated these precepts they have fallen short, though God cannot be outdone by mortal man. The apostacy which is obviously underway, states that men in the last days shall give in to demonic spirits, failing to test each spirit as we are directed they shall deviate from the faith. This is a form of apostacy. The falling away, mean not only those who have walked away, but thos who because of failure to remain in scriptures are lead astray to other gospels, inconsistent with scripture.


1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

Luke 17:1
Jesus said to His disciples, "It is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come, but woe to the one through whom they come!

John 16:13
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come.

In these last days as we wait, watch, the increase in evil is self, evident, the lost abound, turning from truth they stumble along to their inevitable end. Sad really. In the truly is fulfilled the saying of Isaiah.

Isaiah 6:9 He said, "Go and tell this people: "'Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.'

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'

There are times when I feel want to quit, trying to save them, but it is only a passing discouragement. I still continue the fight ... as is necessary till the Lord comes. May he find me doing His work when he comes.

Luke 12:42And the Lord answered, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their portion at the proper time? 43Blessed is that servant whom his master finds doing so when he returns.


Matthew 24:45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.

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Posted by Thiest_1998 1 year ago
Thiest_1998
How are you vi_spex?
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
how is needing assumptions to appear sane
Posted by laurengirl2000 1 year ago
laurengirl2000
It says why in the first chapter of the Bible. God wanted to make us because he loves us. its like ponnochio Jopello wanted to make him doesn't make much since he just does it.
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
im no sadist.
Posted by KeyserSoze115 1 year ago
KeyserSoze115
Because he is a sadist.
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
i created you because i felt lonley
Posted by dsjpk5 1 year ago
dsjpk5
Click on Ragnars link, scroll to the right, and click on "New Topic"
Posted by mall 1 year ago
mall
I believe in the book of Colossians in the bible , it says God created us . We were created by the Lord and FOR the LORD . So something to do with the creator's unique personal intent.
Posted by Thiest_1998 1 year ago
Thiest_1998
I don't know how to start a forum and can you leave
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