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Why do Muslims believe in mohammed when it says in the quran that Jesus is the Messiah

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Started: 3/22/2016 Category: Religion
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Thiest_1998

Pro

Why don't Muslims believe Jesus to be the Messiah and mohammed to be a phony when it says in the quran ""O Mary! Behold, God gives you good news of a word from Him, who shall become known as the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary..." (Quran 3:45)
HardRockHallelujah

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Well this is a very strange question. Muslims do indeed believe that Jesus is the Messiah. The Qur'an says so and that's all there is to it for them.

Unfortunately, if you ask Muslims what it means for Jesus to be THE Messiah, they will most likely have no clue why. The Qur'an says Jesus is the Messiah but gives no explanation as to the significance of having the title "The Messiah".

There are many Messiahs in the Hebrew scriptures, yet there is one ultimate Messiah who gets the title "THE Messiah".

Muslims have no idea why Jesus is called the Messiah because the Qur'an never explains, nor am I aware of any explanation that Muhammad gave in the Hadiths.

So Muslims will proclaim very boldly "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus Christ". And that is true to an extant, but not in the way they want you to think.

When Muslims say they believe in Jesus, what they are referring to (and they are being very anachronistic here), they are referring to what the Qur'an says about Jesus, not what Christians have believed about Jesus from the time of the Apostolic Age until Muhammad's time and even until today.

Put it this way: if someone came along 600 years after the time of Muhammad and said 'I believe in Muhammad too!" to a Muslim; that Muslim out of curiosity would probably ask 'Well do you believe he received the Revelation of the Qur'an?' That someone would say 'no'. Then the Muslims ask, 'Well do you believe that Muhammad took the night journey?' That someone would say 'no'. Then the Muslim finally asks 'Well do you believe that Muhammad preached Islam and taught his followers to pray 5 times a day?' The someone for the 3rd time would say 'no'. Then after 3 no's the Muslim would say 'then you don't believe in Muhammad'.

Now let's compare that to the Muslim claim and see if it holds up to scrutiny:

Muhammad comes along 600 years after Jesus and let's imagine an imaginary conversation between Muhammad and an Orthodox Christian:

Muhammad: I believe in Jesus Christ.
Christian: Do you believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins?
Muhammad: No, according to Surah 4:157, Jesus did not die on the cross.
Christian: Do you believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead?
Muhammad: No, how could Jesus rise from the dead if he never died in the first place according to Surah 4:157.
Christian: Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Divine Son of God?
Muhammad: God forbid! If you believe that he is, according to Surah 5:73 you are going to Hell and according to Surah 9:30, God will fight those who utter this lie against God.
Christian: Well then you don't believe in Jesus.

Consider the core of the Christian Gospel: Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, rose again, and is the Divine Son of God.
You can hold any view of the Bible you wish, but deny any core element of the Christian Gospel and you are damned.

Think about what Muhammad is saying:

"You Christians, you believe in God? So do I. You believe Jesus was born of a Virgin? So do I. You believe that Jesus performed all these miracles? So do I. You believe Jesus is the Messiah? So do I....There are just 3 things that I will have to disagree with you on...Jesus Christ did not die on the cross, he did not rise from the dead, and he is not the Divine Son of God. But other than that, we are like good buddies!"

At this point, the Christian should be saying:

'Boy we've been waiting for you obvious false prophet; because according to my Bible, false prophets are going to come along and try to corrupt the core of the Christian Gospel (Galatians 1:8, 1 Timothy 4:1-2, 1 John 2:22)'.

The reason why this is so damaging to Islam is not only does the Bible as it stand, expose Muhammad as a preacher of a false Gospel and an Antichrist, but Muhammad himself appealed to the Bible in his day to show that he was predicted in our scriptures:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet, the Ummi whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel which are with them." (Qur'an 7:157)

The passage is in the present tense, so whatever scripture Muhammad was referring to, he was referring to the scritures that the Jews and Christians at his time had access to. Historically speaking, there is no question that the only scriptures the Jews and Christians had access to was the Torah and the New Testament we have today. Not only is such a prophecy not there, the Bible actually proves Muhammad is an Antichrist.

In 1 John 2:22, it says anyone who comes along and claims that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God is an Antichrst.
Muhammad denied that Jesus is the Son; thereby, he is an Antichrist.

So it is ironic, that Muhammad's appeal to the Bible comes back to refute him and expose him as an Antichrist.

Given what the Bible says about Muhammad and Muhammad's hilarious fail in appealing to this Bible to prove he was predicted in our scriptures, why should anyone believe this Antichrist?

Muslims might claim to believe in Jesus Christ, but they believe in a counterfeit Jesus cooked up by an Antichrist to damn people to Hell.

Anytime a Muslim claims "No Muslim is a Muslim unless he/she believes in Jesus Christ."; ask them what it means for Jesus to be the Messiah. They will have no meaningful response. We have the answer, they don't. Don't buy into their deception, they are only saying that for you to consider Islam then damn you to Hell once you fall for the deception of the religion of Islam.

In sum, the Muslims claim to believe in something, but when you dig a little deeper, you you find that their claim is meaningless. Just as it is meaningless for someone to claim to believe in Muhammad but deny that the Angel Gabriel gave him the revelation of the Qur'an, that he took the night journey, and that he taught Islam and taught his followers to pray 5 times a day.
Debate Round No. 1
Thiest_1998

Pro

Thiest_1998 forfeited this round.
HardRockHallelujah

Con

Well nothing more needs to be said. This isn't really a debate to be honest. Muslims do believe Jesus is the Messiah but they have no idea what that means.

They think Messiah simply means a prophet, but that is not at all what the term means. The Messiah is the Savior of Israel and of the whole world. Islam strips Jesus of his title 'Savior' by denying his Crucifixion. It is interesting to ponder the lengths false prophets will go to in order to deny what Jesus did for us.

Islam claims to believe in Jesus, but dig a little deeper and they don't understand the implications of calling Jesus the Messiah.

I don't think my respected opponent would disagree with anything I have said so far.
Debate Round No. 2
Thiest_1998

Pro

Thiest_1998 forfeited this round.
HardRockHallelujah

Con

Nothing left for me to say really. Thiest hasn't been interacting with the points made. Keep that in mind...he was the one who issued this debate and he's the one ignoring what is being said.
Debate Round No. 3
Thiest_1998

Pro

Thiest_1998 forfeited this round.
HardRockHallelujah

Con

I have nothing else to say really...
Debate Round No. 4
Thiest_1998

Pro

Thiest_1998 forfeited this round.
HardRockHallelujah

Con

Conclusion:

Muslims claim to believe Jesus is the Messiah, but have no idea the implications of what they are saying. The Messiah does NOT mean a prophet who simply says 'God is one' and 'believe in God and you will be saved'. The Messiah is the Savior of the World. Jesus is the only Savior of the world. Muhammad strips Jesus of his title 'Savior' by denying his atoning death on the cross. Muhammad was fooled by Satan to mislead people into believing in a Jesus who doesn't save people from their sins, something the Bible says false prophets would do, and Muhammad ends up being the number one person in history to fulfill.
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