Why do the people of FYROM call themselves Macedonians when they are not!!!?
Debate Rounds (5)
Pro hasn't specified whether the first round is for acceptance or not, so I will just begin with my opening argument.
Firstly, Pro provides no reason on exactly what people from the FYROM [the republic of Macedonia] are not actually Macedonian themselves.
Moreover Pro has not *explained* what they mean in that people that now currently inhabit Macedonia, assuming that he's referring to the majority, are not related to ancient persons who lived in the region before. Pro additionally refers to Alexander the Great, who existed over 2,300 years ago. Alexander was born in the present day Greek city of Pella to a mother [named Olympias] who originated from Epirus which is again located in Greece. She became the fourth wife of King Phillip II of Macedonia, who considered to be Alexander's father.
Macedonia is a land that has been inhabited by more than one type of ethnic group throughout the years, a primary one being Slavs [1.] https://en.wikipedia.org...(ethnic_group)
As with all southern Slavic groups, their genes are mixed. The same can in fact be said for *some* people that inhabit Greece, that have predominantly Slavic roots.
So far Pro has failed to elaborate on their resolution and/or offer any evidence for their assertion that Macedonians are somehow not Macedonian. As also indicated in my argument, one must keep in mind that Alexander the Great lived an extremely long time ago, so naturally any 'close' connection to him and indeed the children that he had would not be particularly prevalent. However, Alexander is celebrated and recognized with favour by many Macedonian people due to his significant role in their history.
As stated in my previous argument, there has been a Slavic presence in Macedonia for centuries and there is a source to affirm that.
However, even if Pros comment was technically true--they'd still essentially be arguing that something happened to all the non-Slavic Macedonians that were inhabiting the country prior to 1944, which is evidently not a logical possibility.
As for the Macedonian people supposedly avoiding to see the tomb of Philip of Greece II or not, that is quite simply irrelevant to the question of whether Macedonians are indeed 'Macedonian'.
As regards basic geography, Macedonia is situated in [southern] Eastern Europe and therefore not on Greece. Like Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, and other countries-- it was an official part of Yugoslavia. In addition to that Macedonia has long spoken 'Macedonian' as its national language, which is again is a south-Slavic dialect that has more similarities with Bulgarian than Greek.
Pro has once again failed to present any evidence to affirm their statements or indeed make any valid argument[s].
Also there was no existence of a Slavic Macedonia before 1944. There are a lot of so-called "Macedonian" people that claim they are not related to the Ancient Macedonians and Alexander The Great and one of those people was the first President of FYROM. They reveal that they are either Serbians or Bulgarians because at first it was a region in Serbia until Bulgaria occupied many parts of it and then the fall of Yugoslavia began. If you say this is not evidence then you are wrong because I have done many research and I have listened to elderly people who were there. If you class that as not evidence then you are just denying it.
Once again Pro has failed to support their assertions with any sources and *linked* information. Personal experience does not necessarily qualify as valid evidence--as does the research that Pro claims they have done, as this far I have seen no real substantive proof of this. Virtually anyone can state that they're extensively knowledgeable on a subject but until they present a case affirming this, such statements are not go be taken seriously. Obviously Pro has an interest in this particular topic but to reiterate, that neither equates knowledge or accuracy.
In addition Pro has still *not* affirmed the resolution or addressed that in round one, they left their debate description extremely vague. Due to this, the resolution can be negated by the fact that Macedonians *technically* are Macedonian. If Pro was exclusively arguing that they are not 'ancient Macedonians' or that they not share their ancestry with 'ancient Macedonians', they should have explicitly stated in the *resolution* and added some more details of their debate in the first round.
However, the main point of what they've changed the argument into can still b negated. Fundamentally Pro has absolutely no proof that the people now living in Macedonia are *not* related to ancient Macedonians. I will point out once more that it's undoubtably that at least *some* people living on the Baltic region and in that particular country, share genetics with Greeks and thus the ancient Greeks.
Though I would also like to remind Con that Slavs (this a point they have consistently ignored) have lived in Macedonia for an extremely long time, which is entirely contrary to Pro's argument stating that Slavs are more or less 'new' to the country of Macedonia. They weren't just in this land while it was a part of Yugoslavia, but indeed centuries prior to that.
PonticGreekMacedonian forfeited this round.
The third Prime Minister of FYROM even admitted that the people of FYROM are not descendants of Ancient Macedonia and Alexander The Great. He used valuable sources that were written before 1944 which is before the Republic of Macedonia was created.
It was confirmed by many historians from other countries including Bulgaria and Serbia who also had some history that is being used by FYROM. Bulgarian and Serbian historians stated that Rep of Macedonia was created to gain access to the Aegean and to take some areas of Northern Greece. There were ancient writings written by Alexander The Great himself and it was written in Ancient Greek and in those words it said "To all my Greek brothers, sisters, sons and daughters." Now if he was an enemy of Greece (Like some FYROMians state) then why would he address the Ancient Greeks as family.
People of FYROM still deny that Macedonia was a Greek Kingdom and is now a Greek region and there is proof all over the world. Russia, Bulgaria, Serbia etc. are Slavic countries and so is FYROM but these countries do not like the fact that FYROM is using a name that has been used in Greece for centuries. FYROM has been celebrating times that blonged to other countries like for example the founder of Modern Turkey Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the FYROMians celebrate his birthday and anniversary of his death because they claim he was a Macedonian but he was actually a Turk born in Thessaloniki, Greece. They also claim that Jesus Christ was a Macedonian and that he was the son of Zeus. They also claim that Greece stole the ancient writing and the Gods from them but it was proven that Gods have Hellenic names and the ancient writings are in a Hellenic style. You say I do not provide proof, well this is a degree.
Take a look at this website which provides helpful information: http://www.macedonia.info...
Instead of logically responding to *each* of my points, they have simply continued to repeat the same arguments. Absolutely NO rebuttals have been outlined by Pro, which thus means that none of my own arguments have been negated.
Whereas I successfully negated Pros resolution in showing that Macedonians technically are Macedonian--with Pro offering no evidence confirming otherwise. Virtually all they have relied on in this debate is their own personal opinion, which of course, is biased and evidently not in favour of the Macedonian people in general.
Because Pro has failed to provide any evidence (as well *not* defining the terms of the debate properly in round one) and their lack of rebuttals, any potential voters should vote CON.
As can be seen, Pro also forfeited the fourth round.
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