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Why don't Democrats help more African Americans into middle class? Could it be their vote?

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Started: 4/19/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Slippery-slope

Pro

After decades of race bating and calling the GOP racists each election, one must ask themselves, why do Democrats do so little to help get so many African Americans out of poverty and off the welfare roles.

So answer me this, if the majority of African Americans moved up the ladder into middle class, who do you suppose they would vote for? The Democrat party already knows the answer to this question. The majority of the middle class historically votes for the GOP because they hate having so much of their income redistributed to the Democrat's lower income voting blocks.

So why on earth would Democrats want to lose that constant 90% Black vote? If they actually followed through with all their campaign rhetoric each election, it would be like cutting their own politcal throats.

It amazes me how little has been mentioned concerning what can be done to break minorities out of poverty during Obama's term. I thought he was going to bring special attention to the plight of African Americans? If even a Black President cares more for issues such as gun control, Gay marriage, Global warming, etc. but never addresses the terrible pubic schools in minority communities, the gang problems and ways to fix it, you have to ask yourself why?

The answer is obvious, no matter all the Democrat rhetoric, they are happy keeping minorities tied to Government social programs because there in lies the power, the power of the vote. It's so sick how the Liberal media allows them to get away with this for decade after decade.

You ask what has the GOP done for African Americans during their terms of office? First of all the GOP stands up for helping all Americans out of poverty no matter who they are, no special tretment to any group. The GOP has been trying to allow school choice for charter schools, private schools, etc. because these schools have a much better record when it comes to educating the kids. Ask yourself why Democrats are always opposed to school choice, to helping minorities afford better schools and not keeping them funneled into failed public schools. They do it to control the people's minds, indoctrinate them into political correctness, and keep them tied to Government.

It is so obvious but with the help of the Liberal media, minorities will keep right on voting for Democrats. All for the free subsidies, free food stamps, free cell phones, free healthcare, etc.

How sick the rhetoric from Democrats, still telling them they are victims of racism and will never get ahead because of the Rich White man holding them back, so vote for Democrats and we will support you.
Goodgame

Con

It appears that you have taken a state of affairs and attached a backstory to it without providing sufficient evidence to make your explanation plausible. In fact, it appears that little research has gone into this argument because many of your statements aren't consistent with the facts.

In raising the low income minorities to the middle class an increase in income is obviously required. This increase would manifest itself in the form of better paying jobs in most instances. To get said jobs a certain level of literacy is typically required, often times alongside some form of higher education. To this end, it is essential to note the negative correlation that exists between the low income minorities, test scores, and high school graduation rates. Based on the statistics it is reasonable to say that the low income remain low income due to poor education.

Democrats have actively addressed the issue of education and have been pro education at a base level. An example of this can be seen during Obamas second presidential run when he was pushing for more financial aid while Romney initially spoke of cutting student loans. During his presidency Obama has stayed true to his pro education stance and increased the Pell grant for financial aid.

Furthermore, while it isn't every democrats prerogative to raise low income minorities to the middle class, Obama has actually done some things to try and improve the situation. These things include, but are not limited to, restructuring the no child left behind act and the creation of the race "Race to the Top" program.

Also, if democrats have a desire to keep low income minorities stagnant, why do they constantly incorporate well fare programs to help bolster their finances significantly?

at this point in time I believe it is clear that your argument carries factual holes in the very evidence you cite to make your claims. To further discuss this topic in a meaningful way would require a bit of research on your part. Below is a link to a government website that supports some of the facts I've stated. It may also aid you in your research.

https://m.whitehouse.gov...
Debate Round No. 1
Slippery-slope

Pro

You totally ignored my argument where Democrats refuse to help minoirties to get into better schools during the crucial early years, before they drop out, join gangs, take drugs, walk out on their children, etc.
College is not the biggest priorities for minoirties. I worked my way up into the middle class with no college! Just making it through 12th grade with a diploma would be a huge benifit for African Americans. School choice to get them out of failed ghetto public schools. Why do Democrats always fight school choice. Democrats are so big on the choice of depriving a Baby to the right of life but when it comes to school choice, they say NO WAY!
Goodgame

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Debate Round No. 2
Slippery-slope

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Goodgame

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Debate Round No. 3
Slippery-slope

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Goodgame

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Slippery-slope 1 year ago
Slippery-slope
Thank you and please never join an argument with CASmnl42 unless you limit your argument to 3 trillion words and have a few days to read all his biased studies. For him, looking at life and history is no evidence to support an argument. You must find many biased studies to support your arguments.
Posted by John95 1 year ago
John95
Pardon my spelling, it should be frivolous.
Posted by John95 1 year ago
John95
@Goodgame What I'm trying to say is that the government can and indeed must be held responsible for the failure of these "programs" to actually help people get out of poverty. If I remember correctly, the problem has gotten bad to the point where some of the individual states are taking action to get people out of poverty. Some states are considering adding drug testing to welfare tests in order to prevent people who CAN WORK from getting FRIVOULOUS "benefits."
Posted by Goodgame 1 year ago
Goodgame
@john95 The programs have intended goals by design but falling short of those goals doesn't indicate the presence of some alterior motifs or a lack of desire for the programs to do what they are professed to do..... Not sure where you were trying to take that statement exactly?
Posted by John95 1 year ago
John95
But this is a debating website, and a debate, by definition, must have a winner. And consider what the programs promised to do and what they've actually done @CASmnl42
Posted by CASmnl42 1 year ago
CASmnl42
@John95 - so what if he is? The point of the site is to discuss disagreements about controversial matters. I fail to understand why you'd come to DDO if all you wanted was an echo chamber reflecting your own thoughts back at you.
Posted by John95 1 year ago
John95
@CASmnl42 Maybe consider the possibility that he's RIGHT??
Posted by Goodgame 1 year ago
Goodgame
There are classes and these classes are simply used to define an individual's standing in society income wise. It's a relative measure of ones standard of living within a given framework. If you are a single mom working at McDonald's and have 3 kids---->low income. If you are a partner at a law firm driving a Aston Martin----> high. If you are married with 2 kids in a household making 90,000 a year---> middle class.

I agree with you on the need for individuals to be self reliant but the problem is getting there. A lot of times the environment one grows up in precludes them from opportunities in life. Helping these peopl is the reason for government intervention. But that intervention should be in the form of helping them to fish as opposed to giving them a sack of apples.
Posted by nuggettm 1 year ago
nuggettm
It is not the government's job to raise anyone to anything. If they attempt to they are trampling on the rights of those whose taxes pay for the artificial 'raising up'.True Liberalism is self reliance based on inherent rights (the socialist Democrat Party hijacked the term to cover their butts). America does not have 'classes', that is a Marxist concept. There is no way to define the 'middle' (incidentally the bar us raised to define 'poverty' as people prosper). Unless one is severely mentally or physically disabled s/he can be self reliant in America. The more the government interferes w the free market and damages the Civil Society the harder it becomes to be or even think one can be self reliant. Fewer taxes and regulations, ending the grievance industry that belittles minorities, and stronger educational standards (including vocational training in highs cool for us non-academics) would create more opportunities and self confidence (as well as the necessity) so individuals can apply their aptitudes to raise themselves up.
Posted by CASmnl42 1 year ago
CASmnl42
Just a quick warning to anyone who thinks of accepting this debate that the instigator seems only interested in debating people who already agree with him. He will waste your time:

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