Why is Evolution more popular than Creationism? You have everything to lose, as an Evolutionist.
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History tells us that over the years, many people have put together, added, and adjusted the theory of Evolution to make it believable and scientific (in a way). But, alongside the theory of Evolution there has always been Christians and other religions that believe in Creationism, and Creationists have actually been around for a much longer period of time than Evolutionists. Creationism, in my opinion, goes along with Christianity because of the belief in God. (You must be a Creationist-type person if you're a Christian and believe the Bible.) Why is it that people, in general, go for Evolution? If you know about the Christian faith you know that they believe in the Rapture: when Jesus is coming again to make a NEW heaven and a new earth. God will separate the ones who haven't repented from the ones that have, and the ones that haven't will suffer in Hell. Not that it's about 'Quick, believe in God or you'll be punished severely,' but say that Christianity is correct. What happens when you die? First they'd be brought to the Judgment Seat. Then, if you're a Christian (assuming the Bible and Christianity is true), you'd go to heaven, and according to how God "judges" you the non-Christians would go to Hell. What's the risk? Why risk it?! Evolution gives you nothing, produces no gifts, and if you were wrong you'd have everything to lose.
Responding to this debate you can be an Evolutionist, Atheist, or in-between (not sure yet), but please express how you think of this topic, and why.
First of all with Protestants there is no reason not to believe in evolution. The path to heaven in the King James version (One of many verses stating this.) goes as "In whom (Jesus) we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" Ephesians 1:7 (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org...=) This means that even if believing in evolution is a sin you can't be punished for it. So, as there are no consequences. people tend to believe in whatever is more likely. That would be evolution. Whatever your beliefs you can't deny that there is more evidence for evolution than creation.
Secondly on the Catholic side. Pius XII, a deeply conservative man, directly addressed the issue of evolution in a 1950 encyclical, Humani Generis. The document makes plain the pope"s fervent hope that evolution will prove to be a passing scientific fad, and it attacks those persons who "imprudently and indiscreetly hold that evolution "explains the origin of all things." Nonetheless, Pius XII states that nothing in Catholic doctrine is contradicted by a theory that suggests one specie might evolve into another"even if that specie is man. The Pope declared: "The Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experiences in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter"for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God." (http://law2.umkc.edu...) So Catholics aren't bound by their Pope not to believe in evolution. This brings you right back to the Protestant side. There is no reason not to.
John 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, the man became a living creature.
Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, those not according to Christ.
These are just little things that prove that you can't believe in the Bible, God and Christianity ALONGSIDE Evolution. That doesn't work.
I am not Catholic. That is entirely different from the Creationist-type Protestant because of the Popes and extra rules that make Catholic faith a strict religion. When Jesus died it was the Leaders, the Authorities of the Church, who killed Him. My "type" does not obey the religious leaders any more than God, (although we respect them, don't get me wrong), nor are they equal, but instead we conform and look to God for directions and knowledge.
Please give me some convincing, and real, evidence that evolution happened. Answer this in your head: does evolution take faith or is it all facts?
Give me an example, just one, of evidence that a kind of species you know of turned into a different kind of species. Evidence I can believe because someone actually saw it happen. Now answer the same question as above: are you using faith as you believe in evolution? Also, (more evidence I need), how did life originate? It all doesn't make sense. And that is one place where Creationism is strong and more evident. What if you're wrong about Evolution? You still go to the Judgment Seat, and that Bible verse you quoted doesn't help you there, does it.
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"Creationists have actually been around for a much longer period of time than Evolutionists." So what?
"You must be a Creationist-type person if you're a Christian and believe the Bible." No you don't. Catholics as I said don't have to. (Yes, Catholics ARE Christian.) Protestants, on the other hand, also don't have to as Genesis is often taken to be mostly or completely symbolic. I assume that you do not take the book of Revelations as completely literal. Why is Genesis any different?
If you are arguing that people should all be Christian instead then I am not sure why you brought up evolution at all. Is it not possible that any of the other thousands of religions could be true? As for atheists it's not really a matter of choice. I can't become a Christian right now because I do not believe it. If you told me that half of the worlds population died ten minutes ago I couldn't possibly believe you. It is absurd and you haven't given me any evidence. Christianity is no different-in fact it has the added problem that it has internal contradictions. (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com...)
This all ties into the question 'why people go for evolution more than Creationism' so I will address the points of evolutionary "evidence" you made in your previous argument.
The insert for "evidence" you gave (at the top) just goes to show how much change the evolutionists/archeologists can put into the actual fossils they find. First, I challenge you, can you find or think of one complete fossil that evolutionists call 68 million years old? I'm surprised that people believe that those fossil collections are legit...I think it's preposterous to believe that ANY fossils can survive for such a long period of time. How do you know the fossils are this old? Look at this link: answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v7/n4/soft-tissue-in-fossils.
You didn't give any evidence of one species changing into another. Can you? That would put a lot more perspective into your theory.
The "contradictions" in the website you gave (at the bottom) answered for themselves. If you click on the questions, on your link, it shows the myth and the correct answer of the 2 contradictions below the graph!
If you don't agree with me saying that Christians are Creationists then what I'm about to say doesn't work: I think the reason Evolution is more popular than Creationism is obvious. It's the society, the government, all that kind of stuff because what's the majority in America, Democrats or Republicans? The Liberals are more common, and you bet it's true that 99.99% of them aren't Christians, none the less Christians who really BELIEVE that God created the world and loves us all. Also, what is taught in public schools, where half the nation's children goes? Evolution, not Creationism, and they are taught that it is fact, not theory. You can at-least admit that Evolution is a theory along with Creationism.
But what's the argument here. It's why the majority of people take the risk of there being a God. On that case I will say that there is no good reason to chance it like this.
Here are some reasons to believe God created the universe and that the Bible is true. 1st, humans are not eternal therefore have not seen the past ourselves and cannot in any way know the future, so not by any human standard can we prove that God is eternal and all-knowing. Only God can tell if He has always existed and will always! But just think for a moment all the fulfilled prophesies in the Bible. In It God says that there are MANY times that new theories will come up and try to "take the mind" but he is and always will be the true King. 2nd, intelligent design is seen everywhere. How can you believe that this is all by chance? Ridiculous!!! 3rd, there is lots of operational science involved with Bible, like on the account of the Flood: scientists found billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water...all around the world! They also found that the Universe is logical and orderly, and that is exactly what the Bible claims the Creator to be. Love, reason, logic, mortality, and knowledge are all impossible to explain using the evolution theory. Impossible. Their only explanation is the Multi-Universe theory which doesn't have any proof at all. This concludes that Biblical faith is not what society says it is, it is not blind, but rational.
4th, Isaac Asimov, the late anti-Creationist, said this: "In man is a three-pound brain which, as far as we know, is the most complex and orderly arrangement of matter in the Universe." It is much more complex than the most complicated computer ever built. Wouldn't it be logical to assume that if man's highly intelligent brain discovered the computer, than the human brain was also a product of design?
"These are just little things that prove that you can't believe in the Bible, God and Christianity ALONGSIDE Evolution. That doesn't work." No they don't. As I said many people take Genesis as symbolic.
I mean, if this is your reasoning then people have to believe the Earth is flat to be Christian.
"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." Revelation 7:1
Here are some examples of macroevolution. (http://examples.yourdictionary.com...)
"What if you're wrong about Evolution?" I still won't be wrong about the Bible. Unless you can prove that your God exists this debate is pointless.
As a Christian you believe that you are saved. As a Christian God guides you along the path of life. It all fits together if you keep seeking the Word and God helps you along the way. He shows you more about His creations every day. But it doesn't always work that way and sometimes, it can give you the notion to just give up saying 'it'd be easier to leave all these theories alone and just live and die."
My point is that there is no reason to live as an evolutionist. No matter what evidences you have it can't be compared to the beauty that God shows us in front of our very eyes!! When you die will you go to Heaven or Hell? That depends because of course if the Bible is not true than you will just decompose into the earth. But if it is true? Than your whole life was worthless. Try to put yourself in another person's shoes, someone who is willing to believe that the Earth was created but Intelligent Design.
Facts are neutral. Creationists and Evolutionists live in the same world with the same facts but they come from the mouth and brain of different perspectives. We both interpret the evidence in our world differently and try to make them work for OUR theory. About the Book of Revelation, it is much different from the book of Genesis because they are written by different hands with different intentions. The book of Psalms is mostly worship and prayers to the Lord. Most of the books recall history, like a diary of someone from that time. Yes, we take the book of Genesis literally...because of the facts it brings up in it! You might not believe in the Bible, but I do. And I believe it gives me the right basis to understand this universe and correctly interpret the facts around me.
Back to the problem that public schools are teaching Evolution as fact, do you not think that all those children should have the choice between two theories? To have the chance to choose, at least? It still also has to do with the government, the way things are run. People are taught Evolution and are only given the reasons Christianity is shunned on, not the reasons that some OTHER people BELIEVE in the Bible and Christianity. Don't just automatically believe it's true because all "the scientists have undeniable proof that the earth and everything in it evolves" and "every non-religious person believes it so I should too." Put yourself in a spot where you're seeking both theories, comparing which fossils and evidence is more legit. This goes for everybody.
Thanks for debating.
First, I challenge you, can you find or think of one complete fossil that evolutionists call 68 million years old? " Here is one that I found from 100 Million years ago. It may not be a dinosaur, but it is complete nonetheless. (http://io9.com...)
"I'm surprised that people believe that those fossil collections are legit...I think it's preposterous to believe that ANY fossils can survive for such a long period of time. How do you know the fossils are this old?" Here is how I know. (http://science.howstuffworks.com...)
"You didn't give any evidence of one species changing into another. Can you? That would put a lot more perspective into your theory." I already did in my last round, (and it was ignored) but here are some more examples. (http://phylointelligence.com...)
"The "contradictions" in the website you gave (at the bottom) answered for themselves. If you click on the questions, on your link, it shows the myth and the correct answer of the 2 contradictions below the graph!" You didn't look through all of them did you? Only certain ones have Biblically correct answer. (http://skepticsannotatedbible.com...) This one shows the contradiction of unforgivable sin. Note that it is not believing in evolution that is considered unforgivable, but rather blaspheming against the Holy Ghost.
"The Liberals are more common, and you bet it's true that 99.99% of them aren't Christians, none the less Christians who really BELIEVE that God created the world and loves us all." (http://www.people-press.org...)
"Also, what is taught in public schools, where half the nation's children goes? Evolution, not Creationism, and they are taught that it is fact, not theory. You can at-least admit that Evolution is a theory along with Creationism." Creationism has no scientifically verified evidence, therefore it can't be taught in science class even if it many people believe it. Evolution is both a fact and a theory. (http://www.nas.edu...)
"But what's the argument here. It's why the majority of people take the risk of there being a God. On that case I will say that there is no good reason to chance it like this." Like I said, there are thousands of religions, and you have done nothing to separate yours. You also have failed to attack my argument that I can't actually believe in something that, well, I don't believe.
You don't provide sources so I can't attack all of these vague claims, but I will attack the first two.
1.The prophecies of the Bible are self fulfilling. (http://news.google.com...)
2.Actually, if you know anything about an environment you can make reliable evolutionary predictions. (http://www.theguardian.com...)
"Wouldn't it be logical to assume that if man's highly intelligent brain discovered the computer, than the human brain was also a product of design?" Here is how the mind developed evolutionarily. (http://www.scientificamerican.com...)
My opponent has failed to provide evidence for creationism, or make his religion more trustworthy than any other. Whereas I have provided evidence of evolution and given discredit to the Bible. Therefore I urge a Con vote.
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Vote Placed by NiamC 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Very good arguments, both of which are very extensive. Pro, why did you not show many sources??
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