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Why not believe in God?

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Started: 10/4/2011 Category: Religion
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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EthanBrown

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Okay, I know that there are many atheists and skeptics out there that don't take God too seriously. In fact there are some out there that dismiss entirely the existence of a God.

I disagree with this.

God should not be dismissed from anyone's reality because there is no reason to keep him out of the picture. Many people argue that they do not believe that there is a God because it would be illogical to believe in him, isn't it more so to not believe that there is a god? especially since that there are no cons to believing that there is a God.

In believing in God there is infinite to gain, and nothing to lose. In not believing in him you gain nothing while also leaving your existence to a coin toss. So why not believe in God?
tvellalott

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I'd like to welcome my opponent, EthanBrown to DDO and thank him for creating this debate. Let's hope it is a good one!

OPENING
What my opponent asks is "In believing in God there is infinite to gain, and nothing to lose. In not believing in him you gain nothing while also leaving your existence to a coin toss. So why not believe in God?" which is merely a paraphrasing of the classic Pascal's Wager [1]. I will focus in this first round, on some basic refutions of this classic philosophical argument.


COUNTER-ARGUMENTS
False Dilemma [2]:
The major problem with Pascal's Wager, is that it proposes an "either-or" situation, when that is clearly not the case. It is not a mere "flip of the coin".
The Actual Four Possible Scenarios:
1) Christian God and an Afterlife (Christianity)
2) Another God/s and an Afterlife (Islam)
3) Atheism and an Afterlife (Buddhism?)
4) Atheism and no afterlife. (Non-religious)

As you can see, there are two scenarios unmentioned, rendering this argument invalid and fallacious.

Wrong-Hell Problem:
As you can see in the previous argument, there is the possibility of other Gods. Since there are more religions than just Christianity and furthermore, so many denominations of Christianity itself, the probability of any one Theist being right is P=1/n where n is the number of possible Gods, including everything from Allah to Zeus.

I ask my opponent: Is blasphemy not a great crime against God than non-belief?

Belief as a choice?:
Finally, Pascal assumes one can simply "choose to believe" in God.
This is completely false. I cannot choose to believe in God anymore than a true believer can choose not to.
So, I ask: surely a omni-max God would know if someone was only paying lip-service to him...


CONCLUSION
Pascal's Wager is for pvssies.


SOURCES
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 1
EthanBrown

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EthanBrown forfeited this round.
tvellalott

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Extend arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
EthanBrown

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EthanBrown forfeited this round.
tvellalott

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tvellalott forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by tvellalott 6 years ago
tvellalott
Just so everyone knows, I'm leaving the last round to forfeit so this debate doesn't show up on the main page.
Posted by tvellalott 6 years ago
tvellalott
Hey, I did take it easy. I wrote a whole argument about information theory and decided it might be a bit hardcore. :P
Posted by gavin.ogden 6 years ago
gavin.ogden
@Con: Take it easy on Pro.
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