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LuceCaeli
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Samuel60
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Wild animals should not be kept in zoos

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LuceCaeli
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/9/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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LuceCaeli

Pro

A zoos only purpose is it's entertainment value. They fail to educate people about animals. They do not provide adequate housing for the animals under their care. Nor do they help with conservation in any significant way. Zoos are worse than useless; they are harmful.
Samuel60

Con

-I will be arguing as the contender, meaning that I agree that keeping animals in zoos is perfectly okay. Considering the facts that zoos have been improving significantly for the past of an estimated years 1,000 years.

Definition:

Before we start, I think it is important for me to define a few key factors in your debate.

Zoo: "a place where many kinds of animals are kept so that people can see them"

Entertainment: "the act of amusing or entertaining people"

Sources:
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

Argument:

Yes, we could all agree that zoos have been improving greatly for over these past 4,000 years. Originally, the first zoos that were built had animals mistreated. These zoos had metal cages/rods and cold rooms built out of cement for animals to live in. Yes, we could both come to the conclusion that animals were entirely mistreated back when the zoo business had begun. As we look at zoos today, we could clearly see that animals live in habitats that were specifically constructed for each bread of animals to maintain its necessities. The miniature habitat that animals live in specifically contain all necessary resources/necessities for their survival (diet included, but not in habitat).

Another factor to consider is the acquisition of animals. Back then, animals were "abducted" per say from their natural habitats. Now, animals are acquired through the Captive Breeding Program and from other zoos. Captive Breeding Programs are actually a safe place for animals. These programs protect species that are nearly extinct or endangered by poachers. Captive Breeding Programs saved Pere David's deer from extinction.

Zoos are also great places for scientists to conduct research. Scientists are able to find medicine for animals with this type of research.

Sources:
http://animals.howstuffworks.com...

I will admit, that there are bad zoos out there that mistreat their animals.

Zoos are able to educate people. For those of us out there that can't really afford a trip, zoos are great places for animal education. Most zoos hire zoological interpreters to teach people about a specific animal. In fact, it's direct education. People are able to sense the animals through smell, eyes, hearing, etc. it basically gives you the general outlook of the specimen.

Sources:
http://archosaurmusings.wordpress.com...
Debate Round No. 1
LuceCaeli

Pro

Zoos keep their animals in enclosures too small for them. A scientific study was done to determine the minimum amount of space required for animals to be healthy. It was found that the bigger the animal the more likely it was to not have sufficient room. Animals that weigh more than 220lb have 1000 times smaller enclosures than the absolute minimum. In the wild they would have even more room. Tigers and Lions have 18,000 times less space than in the wild; Polar bears have 1,000,000 times less space. The lack of range for these animals is very damaging. They have a 65% infant mortality rate, higher than in the wild. Elephants live for 16-18 years in captivity, in the wild they live 50. Animals to not benefit from being in captivity.

Sources
http://nique.net... http://www.captiveanimals.org... http://www.nytimes.com... http://www.captiveanimals.org...

Zoos do have a captive breeding program, but it's rare that zoos successfully reintroduce animals back into nature. Specialized centers are responsible most animals released back into their natural habitats. Zoos get a surplus of animals. They euthanize up to 5,000 a year of these surplus animals. Even if they did release their animals into the wild some of them are inbred. White tigers often have crossed eyes, kidney defects, and club feet. They also can spread diseases not naturally found in the wild to an already struggling ecosystem.

Sources
http://www.care2.com... http://www.slate.com... http://www.bornfree.org.uk...

Less then 10% of people come out of zoos with a greater understanding of animals. That measly amount does not justify the cruelty animals undergo, not when people can easily educate themselves on the Internet. Even the most well funded of zoos do not educate.

Sources
http://www.livescience.com...
https://www.thedodo.com...
Samuel60

Con

Rebuttals:

I wouldn't necessarily say that animal habitats are bad, no. A little enclosure actually means a lot to a certain specimen. Zoos are safe places for animals especially endangered species, I believe that I have clarified this aspect before. Now, you say that the animals would often get ill due to the limited amount of space a habitat possesses, I could tell that you have ignored one of my factors in this debate. Scientists and veterinarians conduct a lot of research on the species so then they could produce medicine for them in case they get sick. Have you considered wildlife safaris, a wildlife safari is a zoo where animals are able live wildly, these animals don't live in cages. Meaning, they have much more freedom, and some of these animals, specifically, herbivores provide food for themselves independently. Safaris often include animals like elephants, lions, giraffes, zebras, and antelopes (1).

Sources:
[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org...

Secondly, there are multiple reasons the Captive Breeding Programs rarely put animals out of the wild. For instance, these animals might be endangered by poachers. These programs conduct more research on these animals to keep them from extinction. The animals' original habitat/country might endanger them for multiple reasons (i.e. war, fire, climate change, population, etc.). Captive Breeding Programs are literally a blasphemy for animals. These programs saved species like, Gaum rails, California condors, Partula snails, Spix's macaws, and many more (2).

Sources:
[2]:http://nationalzoo.si.edu...

Your final entry states that less than 10% of people come out of zoos with a greater understanding of animals. This could also be applied to historical expeditions, not many people come out of museums with a greater knowledge of history. But zoos provide something that no book can provide. People could sense the animals. For example, some zoos allow people to touch the animals, the people could sense the animals' breathing, their actions and so much more.
Debate Round No. 2
LuceCaeli

Pro

Zoos are not safe places for animals. They die from swallowed debris, thrown in by humans. These animals can't escape from fires, floods, and earthquakes. The people working at zoos don't know enough about the animals. A Ohio zoo starved a bear to death because they believed she hibernated. Animals are often kept in bare concrete pits because the laws are very lax. The diet they feed the animals are bad for them too. Elephants and zebras have exhibited obesity and all the health problems that come with it. How is any of that safe?

Sources
http://abcnews.go.com... http://www.captiveanimals.org... http://www.huffingtonpost.ca... https://www.thedodo.com... http://bigcatrescue.org...

Animals would not need a vet if they weren't in captivity. They often display neurotic behavior such as pacing, self mutilation, biting, rocking, swaying etc. People have only observed this obsessive behavior in captive animals. Vets prescribe antidepressants and anti psychotics because being in captivity caused these animals to be driven insane. The medicine they are developing can only be used on zoo animals because this prolonged distress is only common in zoo animals. Most zoos deny there is anything abnormal in their mannerisms at all.

Sources
http://www.captiveanimals.org... http://www.bornfree.org.uk... https://www.thedodo.com...

Safaris are not much better than regular zoos. At night they lock their animals in tiny stalls they can't turn around in. They leave rotting animals corpses in garbage bins. They like many other zoos sell their unwanted animals to circus' and other zoos. They are responsible for human deaths as well

Sources
http://www.dailymail.co.uk... http://www.theguardian.com... http://www.animalaid.org.uk... http://www.captiveanimals.org...

Zoos breed the reticulated giraffe even though it's not endangered. They do this because giraffes are popular at zoos. Zoos are a business. There are 16,938 threatened species that real conservation societies are protecting. If zoos were truly interested in helping they would not be taking animals out of the wild as they are still doing. 70% of elephants are caught from the wild.

Sources
http://www.captiveanimals.org... http://www.endangeredspeciesinternational.org... http://www.earthtimes.org... http://www.conbio.org...

Petting zoos often have young animals in them. Baby animals that were ripped away from their mothers, so they can handled by humans. Their keepers have to shake them awake because like all babies, they want to sleep. If they are older they try to get away because they don't want to be touched. It's also dangerous for both humans and animals. The animals may injure people because they are afraid. Diseases can easily spread from animals to humans. The Center of Disease Control states the highest threat diseases are zoonotic. These are all zoonotic diseases salmonella, HIV, tuberculosis, West Nile virus, Lyme disease, etc. Wild life professionals carry cards in their wallets to indicate that they might have been exposes to zoonotic diseases.

Zoonotic: Pertaining to a zoonosis: a disease that can be transmitted from animals to people or, more specifically, a disease that normally exists in animals but that can infect humans. http://www.medterms.com...

Sources
http://bigcatrescue.org... https://www.aza.org... http://www.wormsandgermsblog.com...
Samuel60

Con

Samuel60 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
LuceCaeli

Pro

My opponent has forfeited and deactivated his account. There isn't going to be any further arguments from me. I feel that I have made my points clear and hope you will vote accordingly.
Samuel60

Con

Samuel60 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Samreay 2 years ago
Samreay
Not going to accept this debate because I have no time, but LuceCaeli, even more than educating the public and, do you realise the very important roles zoo's play in preserving endangered species and their genetic lines? There are species that no longer exist in the wild which are preserved in zoo's, and that wouldn't be possible without at some point taking those animals from the wild.

One could also point out that the quality of life for many of those endagered animals in zoos (given their relatively carefree lifestyle and medical support) can be greater than in the wild, where they may face loss of habitat or poachers?
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