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Will America be "OK" in the next 10 years?

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Started: 10/9/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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America will not be ok in the next 10 years...
For a small example, items like plastic bags, toys, power tools, houses,etc. are all declining in quality. When the very base of economic status (which upholds the entire country of the U.S.A.) is declining, the whole country begins to decay. Even services are becoming scarce due to the peoples' vigor. If things like this continue to elevate, the country will not be ok in the next 10 years. The government knows this but does not want it to speed up the process of destruction by informing the people ultimately causing panic and riots. Even the weather has become very erratic. In North and South Dakota, Wyoming, and Montana received the largest snow storm since around the 1930's. Earthquakes shook up California....these are just a few of what has come. These natural disasters have caused billions of dollars in damage while U.S.A. is still in a massive debt. Look at the facts and use common sense, U.S.A. is not going to be ok in ten years.


Definition of Ok: fairly good : not very good or very bad [1]
So all I have to do is prove that the U.S. will be an average nation in 10/09/2013

U.S. Economy[2]
- The economy of the United States is the world's largest single national economy. The United States' nominal GDP was estimated to be $16.62 trillion in 2012, approximately a quarter of nominal global GDP. Its GDP at purchasing power parity is also the largest of any single country in the world, approximately a fifth of the global total. The United States has a mixed economy and has maintained a stable overall GDP growth rate, a moderate unemployment rate, and high levels of research and capital investment. Its five largest trading partners are Canada, China, Mexico, Japan, and Germany.
- The US has abundant natural resources, a well-developed infrastructure, and high productivity.
- While the U.S. cannot expierence exponential growth it is ahead as of now, and shows no signs of becoming Sub-Par

Us Armed Forces [3]

-The United States Armed Forces are the military forces of the United States of America. They consist of the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Coast Guard.

- The U.S. military is one of the largest militaries in terms of number of personnel. It draws its manpower from a large pool of paid volunteers; although conscription has been used in the past in various times of both war and peace, it has not been used since 1972. As of 2013, the U.S. spends about $554.2 billion annually to fund its military forces, and appropriates approximately $88.5 billion to fund Overseas Contingency Operations. Put together, the U.S. constitutes roughly 39 percent of the world's military expenditures. The U.S. Armed Forces as a whole possess large quantities of advanced and powerful equipment, along with widespread placement of forces around the world, giving them significant capabilities in both defense and power projection.

US Debt [4]

- The U.S. debt is rising, however it has been higher before, as a percent of GDP. Saying the land of opportunity, a land with a incredably dominant economy can't recover from slightly over 100% as a percent GDP is absurd, especially since it has been done before.

-Even while it may see large due to the U.S. love affair with inflation, it actually isn't nearly as big as it appears.

Debate Round No. 1


America is entering another Great Depression. The credit boom came to an end in the 2006-2008 financial crisis, slowly but surely deflationary forces are starting to exert a dominant influence on all markets. The Federal Reserve, a quasi private-public entity has played the central role in the boom and bust and is unable to stop a depression even though its original charter was sold on that idea. Since the end of the international gold exchange standard in 1971, there has been an unprecedented expansion of credit. Without any gold backing, credit growth based on fiat currency was unlimited, the last four decades has resulted in a 50 trillion dollar expansion of credit, its undoing threatens the solvency of the United States and the Federal Reserve. The survival of the United States as a nation is now in question, already totalitarian forces are sharpening their knives for the destruction of the union.

A soft landing for America 10 years from now? Don"t bet on it. The demise of the United States as the global superpower could come far more quickly than anyone imagines. If Washington is dreaming of 2040 or 2050 as the end of the American Century, a more realistic assessment of domestic and global trends suggests that in 2025, just 15 years from now, it could all be over except for the shouting.

Despite the aura of omnipotence most empires project, a look at their history should remind us that they are fragile organisms. So delicate is their ecology of power that, when things start to go truly bad, empires regularly unravel with unholy speed: just a year for Portugal, two years for the Soviet Union, eight years for France, 11 years for the Ottomans, 17 years for Great Britain, and, in all likelihood, 22 years for the United States, counting from the crucial year 2003.

Future historians are likely to identify the Bush administration"s rash invasion of Iraq in that year as the start of America"s downfall. However, instead of the bloodshed that marked the end of so many past empires, with cities burning and civilians slaughtered, this twenty-first century imperial collapse could come relatively quietly through the invisible tendrils of economic collapse or cyberwarfare.

But have no doubt: when Washington"s global dominion finally ends, there will be painful daily reminders of what such a loss of power means for Americans in every walk of life. As a half-dozen European nations have discovered, imperial decline tends to have a remarkably demoralizing impact on a society, regularly bringing at least a generation of economic privation. As the economy cools, political temperatures rise, often sparking serious domestic unrest.

Available economic, educational, and military data indicate that, when it comes to U.S. global power, negative trends will aggregate rapidly by 2020 and are likely to reach a critical mass no later than 2030. The American Century, proclaimed so triumphantly at the start of World War II, will be tattered and fading by 2025, its eighth decade, and could be history by 2030.


Nice to see your entire argument is copied and pasted from:

And do you really think the worlds greatest superpower as of now, will far to a sub-par nation? Just look at the collapse of the the Soviet Union for example it reformed as Russia lost its government corruption and was stronger than ever within a decade. [1]

Debate Round No. 2


Your basing your belief in the U.S. on sheer arrogance and you use other countries to compare it to. Just the sheer size of the U.S. military shows that most of America's funds go to military and defense. Why does America spend so much money on guns and military training? America has the power to destroy the whole world 3 times over. What is America getting ready for? The set funds distribution is quite disturbing. Education gets 2%, Transportation and Infrastructure gets 3%, Science and Medical research gets 2% (So much for finding a cure for the #1 killer, Cancer), Non-security international gets 1%, Benefits for Federal retirees and Veterans gets 7% etc. (Check out the link). All these percentages, except for defense, has stayed the same since 2009. Since 2001, the base defense budget has soared from $287 billion to $530 billion. This is because since the world hates the U.S., they are getting ready for WW3.

Such a great nation like the U.S.A. has been a great superpower for many years and it will decline drastically because, one of the reasons, the value of a U.S. dollar has shrunk so badly a $1 bill in 1913 amounts to $23.27 in just 2012.

The unemployment rate has increased quite drastically. The unemployment rate rose in 28 states and the District of Columbia, fell in just eight states and held steady in the remaining 14, the Labor Department says. The population of the U.S. is around 315 million and the unemployment rate is 7.3% as of August 2013. That's 22,995,000 people who don't have jobs in the Land of Opportunity. Because of the massive inflation rate, paychecks have been cut by larger tax percentages and consumer products and services have increased to an all time high. Gas has increased steadily throughout the years. The average gas price in the U.S. is $3.56 and increasing. These are just some examples of the signs of the Fall of America.

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danielawesome12 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3


It is undeniable the fall of the U.S. economy. We are in the midst of a horrifying economic decline that is the result of decades of very bad decisions. In the 1980's, the U.S. national debt was only 1 trillion dollars. Today, it is almost 17 trillion dollars! In the 1970's, the total United States debt was only 2 trillion dollars. Today, it has rocketed to 56 trillion dollars! That's 28 times more than the debt 40 years ago! At the same time racking up this massive debt, our economic infrastructure and our ability to produce wealth has been almost completely destroyed. Since 2001, the United States has lost more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities and millions of good jobs have been shipped overseas. Our share of global GDP declined from 31.8 percent in 2001 to 21.6 percent in 2011. The percentage of Americans that are self-employed is at a record low, and the percentage of Americans that are dependant on the government is at a record high. The U.S. economy is a complete and total mess, and it is time that we faced the truth.

Here's 40 statistics you may stagger and stay speechless upon.

1. Back in 1980, the U.S. national debt was less than one trillion dollars. Today, it is rapidly approaching 17 trillion dollars.
2. During Obama's first term, the federal government accumulated more debt than it did under the first 42 U.S. presidents combined.
3. The U.S. national debt is now more than 23 times larger than it was when Jimmy Carter became president.
4. If you started paying off just the new debt that the U.S. has accumulated during the Obama administration at the rate of one dollar per second, it would take more than 184,000 years to pay it off.
5. The federal government is stealing more than 100 million dollars from our children and our grandchildren every single hour of every single day.
6. Back in 1970, the total amount of debt in the United States (government debt + business debt + consumer debt, etc.) was less than 2 trillion dollars. Today it is over 56 trillion dollars...

Total Debt

7. According to the World Bank, U.S. GDP accounted for 31.8 percent of all global economic activity in 2001. That number dropped to 21.6 percent in 2011.
8. The United States has fallen in the global economic competitiveness rankings compiled by the World Economic Forum for four years in a row.
9. According to The Economist, the United States was the best place in the world to be born into back in 1988. Today, the United States is only tied for 16th place.
10. Incredibly, more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities in the United States have been permanently shut down since 2001.
11. There are less Americans working in manufacturing today than there was in 1950 even though the population of the country has more than doubled since then.
12. According to the New York Times, there are now approximately 70,000 abandoned buildings in Detroit.
13. When NAFTA was pushed through Congress in 1993, the United States had a trade surplus with Mexico of 1.6 billion dollars. By 2010, we had a trade deficit with Mexico of 61.6 billion dollars.
14. Back in 1985, our trade deficit with China was approximately 6 million dollars (million with a little "m") for the entire year. In 2012, our trade deficit with China was 315 billion dollars. That was the largest trade deficit that one nation has had with another nation in the history of the world.
15. Overall, the United States has run a trade deficit of more than 8 trillion dollars with the rest of the world since 1975.
16. According to the Economic Policy Institute, the United States is losing half a million jobs to China every single year.
17. Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs.
18. At this point, an astounding 53 percent of all American workers make less than $30,000 a year.
19. Small business is rapidly dying in America. At this point, only about 7 percent of all non-farm workers in the United States are self-employed. That is an all-time record low.
20. Back in 1983, the bottom 95 percent of all income earners in the United States had 62 cents of debt for every dollar that they earned. By 2007, that figure had soared to $1.48.
21. In the United States today, the wealthiest one percent of all Americans have a greater net worth than the bottom 90 percent combined.
22. According to Forbes, the 400 wealthiest Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans combined.
23. The six heirs of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton have as much wealth as the bottom one-third of all Americans combined.
24. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, more than 146 million Americans are either "poor" or "low income".
25. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that receives direct monetary benefits from the federal government. Back in 1983, less than a third of all Americans lived in a home that received direct monetary benefits from the federal government.
26. Overall, the federal government runs nearly 80 different "means-tested welfare programs", and at this point more than 100 million Americans are enrolled in at least one of them.
27. Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid, and things are about to get a whole lot worse. It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls.
28. As I wrote recently, it is being projected that the number of Americans on Medicare will grow from 50.7 million in 2012 to 73.2 million in 2025.
29. At this point, Medicare is facing unfunded liabilities of more than 38 trillion dollars over the next 75 years. That comes to approximately $328,404 for every single household in the United States.
30. Right now, there are approximately 56 million Americans collecting Social Security benefits. By 2035, that number is projected to soar to an astounding 91 million.
31. Overall, the Social Security system is facing a 134 trillion dollar shortfall over the next 75 years.
32. Today, the number of Americans on Social Security Disability now exceeds the entire population of Greece, and the number of Americans on food stamps now exceeds the entire population of Spain.
33. According to a report recently issued by the Pew Research Center, on average Americans over the age of 65 have 47 times as much wealth as Americans under the age of 35.
34. U.S. families that have a head of household that is under the age of 30 have a poverty rate of 37 percent.
35. As I mentioned recently, the homeownership rate in America is now at its lowest level in nearly 18 years.
36. There are now 20.2 million Americans that spend more than half of their incomes on housing. That represents a 46 percent increase from 2001.
37. 45 percent of all children are living in poverty in Miami, more than 50 percent of all children are living in poverty in Cleveland, and about 60 percent of all children are living in poverty in Detroit.
38. Today, more than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. This is the first time that has ever happened in our history.
39. When Barack Obama first entered the White House, about 32 million Americans were on food stamps. Now, more than 47 million Americans are on food stamps.
40. According to one calculation, the number of Americans on food stamps now exceeds the combined populations of "Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming."

If you can dissprove all of these statistics, then I give you your victory. I think it's pretty obvious the way America is headed, it won't survive, or be "ok" for that matter, in the next 10 years.


danielawesome12 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4


It looks like you gave up, maybe i shouldn't have put 5 rounds lol.


danielawesome12 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by WorldofPeace 3 years ago
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Posted by HitReaper 3 years ago
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