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jar2187
Pro (for)
Winning
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Phoenix_Reaper
Con (against)
Losing
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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/10/2011 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,167 times Debate No: 16404
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jar2187

Pro

I will argue that I will lose this debate.

1) I have no argument.
2) I present my case as self-explanatory and self-evident.
3) All of my premises are flawed and misleading.
Phoenix_Reaper

Con

I will argue that my opponent will in fact win this debate.

He claims he has no argument in point one but with point two he is saying that he already has points to his actions to be.

On point three his premises are not flawed and misleading as they are in fact truthful.

My opponent in fact will win this debate because he doubts himself enough to show the right perspective.
Debate Round No. 1
jar2187

Pro

"He claims he has no argument in point one but with point two he is saying that he already has points to his actions to be."
I say that my case is self-explanatory and self-evident. But my "case" has no argument to it.

"On point three his premises are not flawed and misleading as they are in fact truthful."
If point three is false, then I do have an argument. But one premise does not make an argument. In fact, with point one I have made a meta-argument in between the lines, peripheral from, but not relevant to, this topic. Every point from this perspective that I have laid out is indeed misleading. Indeed, it mislead my opponent into siding with me...

"My opponent in fact will win this debate because he doubts himself enough to show the right perspective."
This is not about doubt at all. But if I win, it won't be because I doubted myself to show the "right" perspective (since this is not a moral issue, I suppose that he means "correct" perspective). In fact, I was bold enough to show many perspectives. If I win the debate, it will be because people voted for me to win regardless of the fact that I made no arguments, had no case and provided misleading premises. If I lose the debate through voting, then I win the debate.
Phoenix_Reaper

Con

"If I lose the debate through voting, then I win the debate."

So it comes down to the voters deciding who is more favorable. I may also easily concede this debate thus declaring you the victor. Also by me ignoring your points and failing to counter them I am a failure as a debater thus making you the victor. I provide no counter to your nihilist claims.

"If I win the debate, it will be because people voted for me to win regardless"

Thus also making me the victor in the end result. Sure you may get a point to your debate history but I shall receive justification that in the end I was right, you won.
Debate Round No. 2
jar2187

Pro

"So it comes down to the voters deciding who is more favorable. I may also easily concede this debate thus declaring you the victor. Also by me ignoring your points and failing to counter them I am a failure as a debater thus making you the victor. I provide no counter to your nihilist claims."
It comes down to the voters deciding who is more favorable if I am to win. If you believe that I will win, then yes, of course it will only be because the voters will decide who is more favorable. But if I lose because they did not vote for me and did not find me to be favorable, then I win the issue of the debate with the argument that I did not make. I do not claim you as a failure if you "lose", because chances are you will still win if you do...

And sir, my claims as not nihilistic, as I value them, they don't deal with religious or moral principles, and are not meaningless within the scope of this debate (along with the argument that can be made beyond it).

"Thus also making me the victor in the end result. Sure you may get a point to your debate history but I shall receive justification that in the end I was right, you won."
Then either way we both win and both lose. What's your point?
Phoenix_Reaper

Con

"And sir, my claims as not nihilistic, as I value them,"

I have made a mistake which will therefore hurt my debate thus giving you more room to win.

"Then either way we both win and both lose. What's your point?"

The point is that in the end you shall receive that valued point to your statistics. Yes I may be hindered by the loss point but I will mentally know that I am the victor for being correct about being the loser.

Vote Pro!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Phoenix_Reaper 5 years ago
Phoenix_Reaper
Now Thaddeus that is completely evil.
Posted by Thaddeus 5 years ago
Thaddeus
NO ONE WINS OR LOSES. Mwhahahahahahhaaa
Posted by Thaddeus 5 years ago
Thaddeus
Keep it at a tie guys.
Posted by TheNerd 5 years ago
TheNerd
Woah, this is so meta...
Posted by BennyW 5 years ago
BennyW
So in that case if you lose then you really win?
Posted by meowmixxx 5 years ago
meowmixxx
I would have accepted and forfeited each round.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con took
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Reasons for voting decision: By voting Con am I voting Pro?
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Reasons for voting decision: I am voting pro because I really think con won the debate.
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Reasons for voting decision: Ordinarily i don't like these debates, but con wins by the tiniest margin in just his presentation and persuasion.
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Reasons for voting decision: You're not very nice although he's better at arguing
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Reasons for voting decision: i hate it when people post these paradox debates. I thought con did better, yet in a way, i'm saying pro won by having him lose.
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Reasons for voting decision: Very nice round two from Pro
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Reasons for voting decision: Funny debate. I think the reason is obvious