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Will Russia take a part of the Ukraine

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/25/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Batman3773

Con

If you believe that Russia will ultimately win several parts of the Ukraine over, then I think this debate will be interesting. The debate will run like this

Round 1: Accept and brief reason for view.

Round 2: Opening Statements

Round 3: Rebuttals

Round 4: Same as 3

Round 5: Closing Arguments
18Karl

Pro

FRAMEWORK:

Since we are talking about the current status quo, it must be of interest to further elaborate what one means by "take a part" of Ukraine. "Take a part" is highly relative, and for objectivity to reached, I shall now define "take a part" as taking a part of Ukraine. This might be 1cm, 2m, or even huge and large areas. Ultimately, this debate is about the current status quo, and the possible future that Ukraine must face if under the domination of Russia. The opposition's claims that Russia will inevitably win some parts of Ukraine is based on a false Kiev-biased source. Russia will inevitably gain some parts of Russia, but this is not a Russian attack/invasion. This is an insurgency of Pan-Slavic Nationalists.

BRIEF ARGUMENTS

1. Crimea de facto belongs to Russia
2. Donbass is armed by Russia and supports Pan-Slavic movements
3. The literal south of Ukraine needs a referendum, and it is more than clear that some will become Russia


Debate Round No. 1
Batman3773

Con

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18Karl

Pro

not bothered to do a debate like this extend points
Debate Round No. 2
Batman3773

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
Batman3773

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Debate Round No. 4
Batman3773

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18Karl

Pro

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by bossnegotiator 2 years ago
bossnegotiator
russia could be using ukrian as a stepping stone to war as it did with serbia in WWI or poland in WWII
Posted by Batman3773 2 years ago
Batman3773
Consider it changed
Posted by Pegasus4 2 years ago
Pegasus4
I'll accept if we change it a little russia doesn't want to own all of ukraine, putin knows that it would be another Chechnya, russia just wants its overall national defence interests meet like the narrowing of the avenues of attack from europe and saving it's Black Sea fleet so could the question be instead " will russia acheive it's goals in the ukraine?"
Posted by Batman3773 2 years ago
Batman3773
Total takeover
Posted by Pegasus4 2 years ago
Pegasus4
Before I accept this I wanted to get one thing straight do you mean the total domination of ukraine or acheving it's strategic objectives as saving it's Black Sea fleet and establish its buffer zone between Europe and Russia
Posted by Batman3773 2 years ago
Batman3773
However we have been giving weapons and finical support
Posted by Emilrose 2 years ago
Emilrose
It does seem a likely possibility that Russia will win other key areas within Eastern Ukraine--while it obviously has *some* support of other nations, the Ukraine has an inferior military to that of Russia's. The rebels have already expanded further.
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Vote Placed by Tweka 2 years ago
Tweka
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro provides argument