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William Shakespeare always portrayed the people as the mob. His protagonists were distinguished.

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Started: 6/25/2014 Category: Philosophy
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rjayx8

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Round 1: Acceptance
Round 2: Arguments
Round 3: Rebuttal / Closing Statement
toughenough

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Debate Round No. 1
rjayx8

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Judges please note: This round is only for arguments; my opponent may present a rebuttal in Round 3

Failure to comply with any of the rules stated in round 1 will result in an immediate forfeiture of all 7 points to the other party.

I will first uphold the statement that, “HIS (Shakespeare’s) PROTAGNISTS WERE DISTINGUISHED”

Well I would like to begin my argument with the definition of distinguished: Very successful, authoritative, and commanding great respect [1]

And a very simple demonstration; I would like to list the names of Shakespeare’s works

  1. 1. Henry IV, Part I
  2. 2. Henry IV, Part II
  3. 3. Henry V
  4. 4. Henry VI, Part I
  5. 5. Henry VI, Part II
  6. 6. Henry VI, Part III
  7. 7. Henry VIII
  8. 8. King John
  9. 9. Pericles

10.Richard II

11.Richard III

12.Antony and Cleopatra

13.Coriolanus

14.Cymbeline

15.Hamlet

16.Julius Caesar

17.King Lear

18.Macbeth

19.Othello

20.Romeo and Juliet

21.Timon of Athens

22.Titus Andronicus

23.Troilus and Cressida

24.Merchant of Venice

25.Merry Wives of Windsor

26.Midsummer Night's Dream

27.Much Ado about Nothing

28.Tempest

29.Two Gentlemen of Verona

30.Winter's Tale

The ones in bold are works which are based on distinguished protagonists,

You can see these oeuvres send one the message that William Shakespeare mostly concentrated and centered most of his plots on the elite, kings and queens, prince and princesses and dukes and duchesses.

To name a few, we can talk about the indecisive Hamlet, the Prince of Denmark, or about the generous, courteous, and intelligent Don Pedro who is a nobleman from Aragon and is oft called the prince from Much Ado about nothing or about the sensitive Leontes – The King of Sicily from his text the Winter’s Tale.

There are endless examples and quotes that I can provide, but that would not bring about a substantive result therefore here is a complete list of the Kings and Queens that Shakespeare has worked on in his plays, and mind you this is only the list of Kings and Queens, not to mention the noblemen, prince and princesses.

WILLIAM I
Reigned:1066-1087
Born: Falaise, Normandy, France (1027)

WILLIAM II
Reigned:1087-1100
Born: Normandy, France (1056)

HENRY I
Reigned:1100-1135
Born:Selby, Yorkshire, England (1068)


STEPHEN
Reigned:1135-1154
Born:Blois, France (1096)

HOUSE OF ANGEVIN (LATER PLANTAGENET)

HENRY II
Reigned:1154-1189
Born:Le Mans, Anjou, France (1133)


RICHARD I
Reigned:1189-1199
Born:Beaumont Palace, Oxford, England (1157)


JOHN
Reigned:1199-1216
Born:Beaumont Palace, Oxford, England (1167)


HOUSE OF PLANTAGENET

HENRY III
Reigned:1216-1272
Born:Winchester Castle, Hampshire, England (1207)


EDWARD I
Reigned: 1272-1307
Born: Westminster Palace, London, England (1239)


EDWARD II
Reigned: 1307-1327
Born: Caernarvon Castle, Wales (1284)

EDWARD III
Reigned: 1327-1377
Born: Windsor Castle, Windsor, England (1312)


RICHARD II
Reigned: 1377-1399 (deposed)
Born: Bordeaux, Gascony, France (1367)

HOUSE OF LANCASTER

HENRY IV
Reigned: 1399-1413
Born: Bolingbrooke Castle, Lincolnshire, England (1366)


HENRY V
Reigned: 1413-1422
Born: Monmouth Castle, Wales (1387)


HENRY VI
Reigned: 1422-1461 (deposed)
Born: Windsor Castle, Windsor, Berkshire, England (1421)


HOUSE OF YORK

EDWARD IV
Reigned: 1461-70, 1471-1483
Born: Rouen, France (1442)

EDWARD V
Reigned: 1483-1483 (deposed after reigning seventy-seven days)
Born: Westminster Abbey, England (1470)


RICHARD III
Reigned: 1483-1485
Born: Fotheringhay Castle, Northants, England (1452)


HOUSE OF TUDOR

HENRY VII
Reigned: 1485-1509
Born: Pembroke Castle, Wales (1457)

HENRY VIII
Reigned: 1509-1547
Born: Greenwich Palace, London, England (1457)


EDWARD VI
Reigned: 1547-1553
Born: Hampton Court Palace, Richmond, England (1537)


JANE (LADY JANE GREY)
Reigned: 1553-1553 (deposed)
Born: Bradgate, Leicestershire (1537)

MARY I
Reigned:1553-1558
Born: Greenwich Palace, London, England (1516)

Elizabeth I
Reigned: 1558-1603
Born: Greenwich Palace, London, England (1533)

HOUSE OF STUART

JAMES I
Reigned: 1603-1625
Born: Edinburgh Castle, Scotland (1566) [2]

We can therefore come to the conclusion that William Shakespeare liked and had a taste of depicting characters who weren’t ordinary but were distinguished noblemen or in the royal families. He liked to work with individual character flaws of the blue-blooded society, their moral dilemmas and quandaries.

“HIS (Shakespeare’s) PROTAGNISTS WERE DISTINGUISHED” statement firmly upheld.

“William Shakespeare always portrayed the people as the mob.”

A large crowd of people, especially one that is disorderly and intent on causing trouble or violence: [3]

I will use only one case study to prove this avowal.

Allow me to use an extract from Julius Caesar,

AFTER BRUTUS’ SPEECH

First Citizen
Bring him with triumph home unto his house.

Second Citizen
Give him a statue with his ancestors.

Third Citizen
Let him be Caesar.

Fourth Citizen
Caesar's better parts
Shall be crown'd in Brutus.

First Citizen
We'll bring him to his house
With shouts and clamours.

AFTER ANTONY’s SPEECH

First Citizen

If thou consider rightly of the matter,
Caesar has had great wrong.

Fourth Citizen
They were traitors: honourable men!First Citizen
O piteous spectacle!

Second Citizen
O noble Caesar!

Third Citizen
O woful day!

Fourth Citizen
O traitors, villains!

First Citizen
O most bloody sight!

Second Citizen
We will be revenged.

We'll mutiny.

First Citizen
We'll burn the house of Brutus.

Now if you can see, the same man who was being called Caesars’ better parts will not become the first victim of the mob whose hearts he had just won.

Shakespeare here portrays the Romans as a mob, and if I may say as halfwits. These people have completely changed their stand, and had firs they been swayed by the clever words of Brutus in favour of Caesar’s murder and then Antony convinced them of the exact opposite.

The factor of mob mentality has been brilliantly expressed here, and also the fact that the common man was never a hero of a great Shakespearean drama goes on to point to the fact that William Shakespeare had a preference towards using the men who were pulling the strings as heroes and those who were being played as fools.

“William Shakespeare always portrayed the people as the mob.” This statement resolutely stands.

SOURCES

[1] http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...

[2] http://www.shakespeare-online.com...

[3] http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...

toughenough

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Posted by rjayx8 2 years ago
rjayx8
Shakespeare always used very distinguished and "royal characters" as his protagonists. Unlike others who portrayed the miseries of the common man very well, Shakespeare always represented them as a mob.
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