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With tensions between the Flemish and Walloons, is it possible that Belgium will split up?

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Started: 12/29/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Nootral4life

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I personally believe that there will be a solution towards the situation in Belgium, with out jeopardizing the existence of the nation of course. With the New Interim government installed, I'm hopeful that there will be an agreement breached an the nation will be at ease.
lowandwet

Pro

The question was: "With tensions between the Flemish and Walloons, is it possible that Belgium will split up?"

By choosing the "CON" side in this argument, you disagree that it is possible for Belgium to split up in the future (I say "in the future" due to your use of the future tense).

I declare that, despite following the news nearly every day, I know nothing of this problem. However, your initial topic of discussion is written so poorly that I can debate it without such knowledge.

For clarity, I will restate what your question means literally: "In the time after the tensions between the Flemish and the Walloons, is it possible that Belgium could split up?"

I propose the following: Anything allowed by physics can occur.
We will assume that the universe is non-deterministic (due to the implications of quantum theory).

Therefore:
The break-up of a country physically (by tectonic forces) is allowed by physics.
Thus: The physical splitting of Belgium could occur.

The social break-up of Belgium could occur in the future as well.
The future is vast and the chain of history hangs into darkness. It is foolhardy to say this is not possible.
Debate Round No. 1
Nootral4life

Con

In order to clear things up, I am speaking about the social and political division of Belgium. The Dutch speaking Flemish wants more independence, while the French Speaking Walloons wants the nation to be united. This feud is mainly economic, for the Flemish wants economic autonomy, while the Walloons argue that they won't benefit from the economic gains coming from the wealthier Flemish regions. Now this feud has reached politics, as linguistic divisions as well as economic debates threatens the very existence of the Belgian government. As far as socially, many Belgians (both Walloons and Flemish), are calling for a new government, in which both ethnic groups can benefit. Now with the new Interim government installed, representatives have stated that this form of government is temporary, that it will only be in existence for three months. Personally speaking, I believe that this situation will be resolved with out the political and social splitting of the government, and the people.
lowandwet

Pro

You failed to give reasons to support the following statement:
You said:
//Personally speaking, I believe that this situation will be resolved with out the political and social splitting of the government, and the people.

However, the people have already split socially:
-40% of Flemings already vote for political parties which support a separate and distince state of Flanders.
-Few in Belgium refer to themselves as "Belgian;" they more readily call themselves Flemish or Walloon
-The divisions of a poor southern region, fair representation in government, and cultural differences are reminiscent of the causes of many civil wars.
-Resolution of these problems is not mutually beneficial, and thus compromise is unlikely.
Debate Round No. 2
Nootral4life

Con

Regardless if the people had split socially, both ethnic groups have coexisted with each other for hundreds of years. Even though people from both ethnic groups call themselves Flemish or Walloon, it still doesn't justify in why the situation should reach with politics. Despite them being (what you consider) "socially divided", I still don't see how ethnic identity is the main cause of the crisis. Many speculate (whether it'd be politicians, or the press) that this has to deal with a linguistics division. Even if this were true, the people of Belgium had plenty time in its history to create two separate governments. Belgium is over 170+ years old, surely this could have been achieved in the past. Both the Flemish and the Walloons had many opportunities to do so, such as: The "Eighty years of War", when they received independence from the Spanish empire, Independence from the Netherlands, WW's I&II, etc. Why should ethnic tensions boil over now? Why divide the country (both politically and socially) over a matter of Linguistic tensions? Look at Switzerland, that is a nation that was created by the hands of German, French, Italian, and Romansch speaking peoples. Sure there were some tensions between all the ethnic groups, but all of them learned to coexist with one another. Please tell me why should, One of the most modern nations, and massive power of the E.U., split up over social tensions, while in their history they had many opportunities to do so?
lowandwet

Pro

lowandwet forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Toored 9 years ago
Toored
This is a very interesting subject. The Economist has been providing good coverage of the political/social situation in Belgium.
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