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Woman should be allowed to go topless in public

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/23/2016 Category: Society
Updated: 11 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ReeThoughts

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Rules of debate:


  • No slander of the opposition's beliefs

  • At least one piece of evidence/source needs to be presented per round with the exception of Round One.

  • Arguments revolve around the statement, not other matters of gender inequality such as a father's rights. That doesn't mean I don't accept that these issues are valid, just that they are irrelevant to this debate.


Starting statement: Women and men are, for the most part, seen as equals in Western society, yet there are certain double-standards in law. Personally, I think it's hypocritical that men can walk around shirtless and no one will bat an eyelid, yet if a woman 'shows too much flesh', it is scandalous.

jonrhaider

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"I think it's hypocritical that men can walk around shirtless and no one will bat an eyelid, yet if a woman 'shows too much flesh', it is scandalous."
This statement points to a supposed hypocracy in both our legal system and in our culture which perceives the same action by 2 supposedly equal groups differently. Now, to argue that on the basis of it being hypocritical, we should abandon whatever law prohibits women from being topless in public might be true, but the claim that there is hypocracy has yet to be established. Here's why: on the surface it would appear that this argument is structured as follows:

X is not allowed to do action A
X is supposedly seen as equal to Y (in western societies at least)
Y is allowed to do action A
X should be allowed to do action A

This argument is based on the idea that for 2 groups to be considered 'equal' (under the law and in the eyes of society), the 2 groups should have the right to perform the same actions. If Y can do action A, then X must be able to do action A as well, otherwise X and Y are not actually equal. I would argue that this argument, as it currently stands, is guilty of equivocation. Because men and women have different bodies, X does action A differently than Y does it. In reality the argument should be structured like this:

X is not allowed to do action A with U
X is supposed to be seen as equal to Y (in western culture at least)
Y is allowed to do action A with V
X should be allowed to do action A with U

Where U and V are the female and male bodies respectively. I only structure it this was to point out that there is a difference in what men can do with the male body, and what you're saying women should be able to do with the female body, simply because men and women have different biological builds. The reason the biological difference is relavent is because of how parts of the male and female bodies are perceived (both legally and culturally), and how this impacts whether doing A with U is the same as doing A with V.

In the eyes of the law and in the western culture you mentioned, female breasts are seen as part of the female genitalia. Whether this should or should not be the case is really the heart of the debate. If women's breasts are a part of the genitalia, then they should be subject to the same laws, protections, and restrictions as other genitalia. Equivalently, if men's breasts are part of the genitalia, then they should be subject to the same genitalia laws as well.

If it turns out that women's breasts ARE genitalia, and men's are NOT, then there is no hyprocracy, but rather the biological difference would justify the different characterization, which in turn would justify the law that currently stands, i.e. that women should not be allowed to expose their genitalia, and neither should men... So the claim that there is any sort of hypocracy rests on the assumption that female breasts are NOT genitalia, which it inconsistent with current law and western culture.
Debate Round No. 1
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Debate Round No. 3
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Goobo 12 months ago
Goobo
I think it benefits a lot of people(as a male, I'm not sure if i'd be called a pervert if i saw but a stiffy is a stiffy and that gets more looks.) but it also stirs the same people who wish for something similar. What's to stop the wolf-whistling that women despise? In the pursuit of an equal society it shouldn't happen but it does. Toplessness is described by many as a kind of liberation, both physically and otherwise. Shouldn't woman get this freedom too? However, how dangerous is this practice in reality? Could the rate of harassment, sexual or otherwise increase as a result? I think we aren't ready to employ this until we are comfortable seeing strangers boobs in a non-sexual manner (Which is hard if they don't look like your grandmother) and i guess sterilized us if you want to step it up(immune to shock not the other meaning) but the basic male with no further ambition to thought in me says, "bring on the boobs" so maybe im not right...
Posted by MagicAintReal 1 year ago
MagicAintReal
Amen!
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Vote Placed by harrytruman 11 months ago
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