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Hickmangirl2
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U.S_Patriot
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Women have the right to have an abortion.

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Started: 1/13/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Hickmangirl2

Pro

Abortion should not become illegal in any state. Women have the right over their body's, not the government. It it's a women's choice if they want to have THEIR BABY or not.
U.S_Patriot

Con

Well, to introduce my views, I will not be using anything quoted from religion or from the Bible, and I myself am not religious in any way. I hope we can have an exciting debate.

My first point, is the universally accepted sanctity of life. I am sure we can all agree that life on this planet, humans more so than any, is protected and cherished. Murder, any kind of abrupt end to a life is universally frowned upon as a heinous crime. The biggest argument against acceptance of aborting births, is the fact the living, growing human embryo inside the woman's body is a human life. No matter whether or not it cannot voice it's own defense, and is spoken for by the mother, it is a protected human life.

To show this, I will use a bit of science. I am sure we all know, humans have forty six chromosomes, sometimes forty seven. Now, the separate sperm and egg that come together to form the human embryo contain twenty three chromosomes. Now, any trained genetic scientist could look at these two entities and see they are clearly a sperm and embryo through the chromosome count. However, they could not differentiate between a full grown human being and an embryo. Clear proof that the life, whether it is a developing embryo or a grown individual, have the same rights as human beings. Surely it would be a crime to kill the grown individual? By inference, it would also be a crime to "abort" the developing child and end it's life, sadly before it even got to see the bright of the world. Now, to say that a woman has a right over her own body, I do not deny it. But when a human life is the subject of the question, it is still, a heinous act to condemn that child to a death before it was even properly born. It is comparable to a woman claiming rights over a born child and killing it because it is her's, and only that. Would anyone not object?

That will be my opening statement. An embryo is essentially a human being, and to end that life is akin to murder of a full grown individual.
Debate Round No. 1
Hickmangirl2

Pro

Yes, human life is dear to everyone and hopefully cherished, but abortion is not killing an infant. The so called "baby" is called a fetus, which is just another part of a woman's body. A fetus is going to become a human being, it is not a human yet. And by law a fetus is not a baby until it is out of the mother's womb and has it's first breath(with help or not). Abortion, is just a women getting rid of a part of her body, like and appendix, but what people don't realize is that people who get abortions are setting the future to what is going to be, and people against abortions are living in the "what could have been" times. Also, abortion is not always about the unwanted child, but sometimes about the unwanted pregnancy. Some women were raped and got pregnant because of it and just wanted to get rid of the thought. Is that so wrong? Plus, some of the women who get abortions are mainly teens, drinkers, druggies, and abusive women. Would not it be better if the future child was not born if it's mother was to young to take care of it? Or if it is going to end up abused, raped, murdered, or traveling between foster homes. Wouldn't it be better if that kid wasn't born to have a terrible future? Although, women usually know what they are getting into before they get pregnant, it is their choice, and their choice alone it they wants to, or are going to have the baby.
U.S_Patriot

Con

The argument that a fetus is going to become a human being and is not actually a human yet is simply ludicrous. You compared a fetus to an appendix. This is an outlandish comparison, as an appendix is a useless part of the human anatomy, while a fetus is the development stage of a conscious being.

My first point is one Reagan already, although unforuntely, pointed out. From the moment of it's conception, a fetus has certain traits that would define it as a person. Among these are the chromosome count, and genetic differentation from it's mother and father. It should be unquestionable whether it is a human being or not.

And do back this up with a legal standpoint, I would like the point out the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004. This decision effectively characterizes a fetus as a legal victim, and by this decision, it can be inferred that it has the rights of an individual. Also, if you look at this law, you can see another peculiar fact. Although the bill lacks this particularly important inference, if you can prosecute an external offender for killing the unborn child, should you not also be able to persecute the mother of the child for consciously ending the child's life?

Also, the long standing position of the American Convention of Human Rights, upheld since 1978, states that: "Every person has the right to have his life respected. This right shall be protected by law and, in general, from the moment of conception." Obviously, this points to the bare fact that a human fetus, does esentially deserve rights.

On the topic of the state of the woman having the baby, surely it is a commonly known fact that there is no shortage of families looking to adopt a child. Yes, the psychological stress induced by this decision will hurt, but will it not be equal or greater stress if you kill the child?

I can concede that we need to provide euthenasia for children that will be at a disadvantage or will endure a particularly stressful life, such as someone born with AIDS, a terminal disease, or born out of incest or rape. These certain cases are dealt with under the realm of euthenasia, merciful ending of life. However, this does not excuse the thousands of healthy woman who do not fall under this category. Instead of killing unneccessarily by instituting abortions, howabout we give alternate options and more guidance to these young women that are "mainly teens, drinkers, druggies, and abusive women." Why do these women have children in the first place? We need to provide more guidance as parents and as a society than let this happen.

However, when it does happen, it happens consciously and these women are considered adults because they are presumed to be responsible with their bodies. If you think you have rights over your body, surely you have the responsbility to decide whether or not you have want to have a baby or not. The burden falls upon the mother, and abortion is unneccessary if you had that responsibility. However, there are many other options preferable to infancide if you STILL manage to make a mistake.
Debate Round No. 2
Hickmangirl2

Pro

I am currently changing my opinion thanks to http://www.teenbreaks.com...
which showed what happened to the baby.
It was a good debate thank you.
U.S_Patriot

Con

I'm glad that you came to the right choice. Taking away the chance to experience life is heinous. Debate is effectively over I guess.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
Tatarize
LIARS!!!!!

Yes, this is her second "debate". Exactly like this.
http://www.debate.org...

When you start off as badly as calling a clump of cells a baby all of your spidey senses should have gone up.
Posted by U.S_Patriot 9 years ago
U.S_Patriot
Radical reich? Jonjon, certainly we must all be on the look out for Nazis.
Posted by JonJon 9 years ago
JonJon
I don't believe that this was a debate at all. Sounds like a propaganda tactic by the radical reich. Hickmangirl just wanted to make a point, albeit and unenlightened one.
Posted by U.S_Patriot 9 years ago
U.S_Patriot
People who voted for her, please enlighten me as to how and why you think my opponent won this debate? She actually admitted defeat?

Perhaps another example of how people side with similar members, not the actual debater.
Posted by Miserlou 9 years ago
Miserlou
This is the first debate I've seen where one side actually conceded. Congrats Patriot, even if I still don't agree.
Posted by cloppbeast 9 years ago
cloppbeast
//A fetus is going to become a human being, it is not a human yet.//

Hickmangirl2, why, then, is the murderer of a pregnent woman charged with double murder? If the fetus is not considered a human being, then the murder of the fetus would be considered an abortion not a murder. Obviously your, and other dems, assessment that a fetus is truly a bodily organ belonging to the woman is a falacy.
Posted by GeoffG 9 years ago
GeoffG
Hickman, did you ever really support the pro-choice position?
The reason I ask is that your profile says you support Huckabee, and I've never met someone that's obviously a social conservative, but also pro-choice. It's kind of an oxymoron, really.
Just Curious.
Posted by U.S_Patriot 9 years ago
U.S_Patriot
In all fairness Reaganconservative, could you keep your opinion to yourself until the end of the debate? The burden of the argument falls on me, not you.
Posted by kels1123 9 years ago
kels1123
A "fetus" (unborn baby ) has a heartbeat , sounds like a human to me , working kidneys , a liver , sounds like a baby to me.
Posted by ReaganConservative 9 years ago
ReaganConservative
Allow me to address the "a fetus is part of the woman's body" argument. You make the argument that women should have control over their own bodies. Well, the 750,000 females aborted every year should have the same right to control their bodies as well, right? What about the separate body inside the womb?

What if that unborn baby is a male body, a little boy? Surely that can't be the mother's body because she can't be a man and a woman simultaneously.

I'm going to address the "what if the woman was raped" argument again as well. Children shouldn't be punished for the crimes their parents commit. We shouldn't kill a 4 year old child if his father committed a murder, so why should we kill developing babies in the womb just because their biological fathers are guilty of rape or incest? Forced rape or incest is tragic, but in our society we don't kill the children of criminals.

This "what about in cases of rape or incest" argument is often used by abortion defenders as a way to pander to people's natural sense of sympathy and compassion for victims of sexual crimes and to divert attention away from the developing baby who is killed inside the womb.

Rape is violent, but when the pregnant woman decides to abort and kill her unborn child, she is taking part in a second act of violence. When she destroys that baby, she is destroying someone who is genetically half hers.
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