The Instigator
brian_eggleston
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OncomingStorm
Con (against)
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13 Points

Women should not be punished for sunbathing topless.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/9/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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brian_eggleston

Pro

It's sexist and it's wrong. While a man on a beach can take his shirt off and run about willy-nilly, in repressive countries such as Saudi Arabia, the Islamic Republic of Iran, North Korea and the United States of America, women who strip to the waist are liable to be arrested and charged with indecent exposure.

So why is that? Both men and women have nipples so that can't be the reason and a lot of fat blokes have bigger jubblies than some slim women do so that can't be the excuse either.

http://www.gotopless.org...

No, at the end of the day, it's just sexual bias, pure and simple and it's time the United Nations stepped in and passed a resolution that would enshrine the right of women to get their thru'penny bits out on the beach without fear of getting into trouble with the authorities.

Thank you.
OncomingStorm

Con

You posit an interesting topic - thank you!

Your premise, that unequal decency laws that prohibit women from sunbathing topless but not men, is acceptable, but your conclusion, that the UN should force the abolition of unequal laws, is harmful to national, regional, and local sovereignty. Any and all decency laws should be issues of only local jurisdiction, based on the moral and aesthetic standards of the community.

Now, if your community continues in this practice, you are free to defend equal protection as you see fit.
Debate Round No. 1
brian_eggleston

Pro

Many thanks to OncomingStorm for his considered comments.

With regard to the role of the United Nations, although it cannot impose the collective will of its members upon any given nation, they can exert a great deal of influence on oppressive regimes and their respective electorates.

For example, while the United Sates were unwilling to unilaterally criticise Israel when they recently bombed Palestinian homes, schools and hospitals in Gaza and their soldiers used Palestinian children as human shields, for fear of upsetting Jewish American political donors and media moguls, they were, as members of the UN, able to express their dissatisfaction by echoing the concerns of the wider international community.

Similarly, a country such as France with its large Muslim minority population and strong historical links with the Islamic world could use a UN resolution to ensure that Gallic totty on holiday in Dubai could get their fabulous French funbags out without worrying about being arrested.

Thank you.
OncomingStorm

Con

Though the UN is free to pass resolutions on any topic they choose, the recent history of those resolutions and their efficacy is sketchy at best. Consider UN resolutions and sanctions regarding Iran and North Korea. These actions have failed to substantially change the policies of these regimes. UN resolutions have been notorious historically for their impotence, and principles of individual liberties and local sovereignty dictate, and rightly so, that the UN have no substantial power to influence or direct policies of member nations.

Without a substantial shift in the authority and mission of the UN, my opponent's conclusion cannot be implemented.

My many regards to my opponent for his thoughtful topic!
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Grizzman2012 4 years ago
Grizzman2012
I think that females should be praised for sunbathing topless it shows that they are not afraid to bare their breast in public.
Posted by bearsfan 7 years ago
bearsfan
I went to gotopless.org and thought they were doing a good thing for a while until I realized that they kept calling themselves raelians. Raelism is one screwed up "religion". http://en.wikipedia.org...
Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
The premise that the genders are in every respect equal is absurd. Pro will get a lot of male votes precisely because of that, a breathless, "Yeah, yeah, equality!" While Con's argument was foolishly backhanded, it was also true.
Posted by haley.debate20 7 years ago
haley.debate20
Wow, I actually agree it should be legal.
Posted by Waldheri 7 years ago
Waldheri
I chuckled reading the list of repressive countries included the United States of America.
Posted by lillunchboxbandit 7 years ago
lillunchboxbandit
I don't know where I stand on this debate. It's wrong, but it's hot. What do I do!?
Posted by Alex 7 years ago
Alex
What guy would take Con
Posted by feverish 7 years ago
feverish
Thrupenny bits is quality but bristols (as in Bristol City) is my personal favourite rhyming-slang for breasts.
Posted by MTGandP 7 years ago
MTGandP
I think that "fat blokes" with "jubblies" should be made to wear shirts. That's just gross.

Ah, you and your funky British words.
Posted by Rezzealaux 7 years ago
Rezzealaux
Sounds hot.
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