The Instigator
Coveny
Pro (for)
The Contender
TheColtEqualizer
Con (against)

Workers are not paid there value

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Started: 5/6/2017 Category: Economics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Coveny

Pro

The crux of this debate will be to determine value. My side will be that workers value has been deflated. An example of how the market doing this is the artificially inflated value of diamonds. My contention is that as opposed to diamonds the market has artificially deflated the value of workers.
TheColtEqualizer

Con

I accept your debate on workers' value being deflated, mainly because I believe you are incorrect in your claims and also because your title is spelled wrong ("there" is supposed to be "their").
Debate Round No. 1
Coveny

Pro

Ya I enjoy debating, but I"m dyslexic so if don"t focus I mess stuff up. Most of the time Word catches it for me, and no one ever see it. No big deal, I think debating has more priority than messing up a little bit on words and whatnots.

The biggest supporting factor for the devaluing of labor is production. Between 1973 and 2013 production grew by 74%, but compensation only grew by 9%.
https://www.theatlantic.com...

And what small gains have been made in compensation get gobbled up as the purchasing power of the dollar continues to fall.
http://www.pewresearch.org...

When we look at the GDP we see wages accounted for 50 percent in 1975 but in fell to a record low of 43.5 percent.
http://www.nytimes.com...

Also I think we can all remember when one income could support a family and provide for a retirement. But the cost of living has increased dramatically.
http://reason.com...

This has created an environment where even with both parents working it"s still difficult to make ends meet.
https://www.nytimes.com...

There has been a systematic devaluation workers. The minimum wage was implemented years ago but as with wages, has stayed stagnant. As inflation pushes the cost of living higher and the purchasing power of the dollar lower, the workers of this country's value is deflated more and more. We can all see the difference of the past versus the realities of the present.
TheColtEqualizer

Con

A minimum-wage job is not meant to support a person permanently, and most certainly not a family. 50% of workers that work for minimum wage are between the ages of 16-24, and of the older adults (25+), three-fourths of those adults live above the poverty line (average of $42,500), 67% are women and 41% are married. In conclusion, most minimum wage workers do not require an increase in their wage, because most minimum wage workers live above the poverty line.

Statistics found on Heritage.org
Debate Round No. 2
Coveny

Pro

Ok let’s get to rebuttal.

Not a living wage:
A minimum-wage job is not meant to support a person permanently, and most certainly not a family.”

I completely refute this claim and Con cannot support it, because the person who created the minimum wage FDR said it would be “wages of a decent living”.
https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com...

Minimum wage demographics
“50% of workers that work for minimum wage are between the ages of 16-24, and of the older adults (25+), three-fourths of those adults live above the poverty line (average of $42,500), 67% are women and 41% are married. In conclusion, most minimum wage workers do not require an increase in their wage, because most minimum wage workers live above the poverty line.”

Con says these statistics are found on heritage.org but doesn’t provide a link to them. Given that, these stats should be considered unsupported and be disregarded.

Regardless of that, I would like to remind Con this debate is about the value of all workers, not just those making minimum wage or living in poverty. Both arbitrarily created and changed arbitrarily. For those stats to matter Con would have to both, that they are indicator of the value of the worker, and that the current value is valid. Neither of which has been addressed.

This is a debate on the value of workers in America in general not just the small subset of those at the very bottom of the list. Anything that only addresses minimum wage, is a composition fallacy. This debate covers more than just minimum wage, and the poverty line.
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Coveny 1 year ago
Coveny
Sometimes the lag of this site is SO annoying. Sorry about all the reposts. I didn't look to be working on my side so I just kept trying it and getting an error.
Posted by Coveny 1 year ago
Coveny
And what is the semantics of renting a car? Semantics is about getting to the meaning of the word which generally conflict between the definition that's written in the oxford dictionary and what people actually mean when they use it. To say it difficult to put the meaning of words into words with other words that do the same things is an understatement.

Wage - The part of total production that is the return to labour as earned income as distinct from the remuneration received by capital as unearned income.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...

It's a rabbit hole man. You know what I'm discussing though even if you don't like the vernacular (there's a word I never get to use ROFL) I'm using. Semantics isn't about getting the right syntax, that's grammar, which I suck at.
Posted by Coveny 1 year ago
Coveny
And what is the semantics of renting a car? Semantics is about getting to the meaning of the word which generally conflict between the definition that's written in the oxford dictionary and what people actually mean when they use it. To say it difficult to put the meaning of words into words with other words that do the same things is an understatement.

Wage - The part of total production that is the return to labour as earned income as distinct from the remuneration received by capital as unearned income.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...

It's a rabbit hole man. You know what I'm discussing though even if you don't like the vernacular (there's a word I never get to use ROFL) I'm using. Semantics isn't about getting the right syntax, that's grammar, which I suck at.
Posted by Coveny 1 year ago
Coveny
And what is the semantics of renting a car? Semantics is about getting to the meaning of the word which generally conflict between the definition that's written in the oxford dictionary and what people actually mean when they use it. To say it difficult to put the meaning of words into words with other words that do the same things is an understatement.

Wage - The part of total production that is the return to labour as earned income as distinct from the remuneration received by capital as unearned income.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...

It's a rabbit hole man. You know what I'm discussing though even if you don't like the vernacular (there's a word I never get to use ROFL) I'm using. Semantics isn't about getting the right syntax, that's grammar, which I suck at.
Posted by Coveny 1 year ago
Coveny
And what is the semantics of renting a car? Semantics is about getting to the meaning of the word which generally conflict between the definition that's written in the oxford dictionary and what people actually mean when they use it. To say it difficult to put the meaning of words into words with other words that do the same things is an understatement.

Wage - The part of total production that is the return to labour as earned income as distinct from the remuneration received by capital as unearned income.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...

It's a rabbit hole man. You know what I'm discussing though even if you don't like the vernacular (there's a word I never get to use ROFL) I'm using. Semantics isn't about getting the right syntax, that's grammar, which I suck at.
Posted by Coveny 1 year ago
Coveny
And what is the semantics of renting a car? Semantics is about getting to the meaning of the word which generally conflict between the definition that's written in the oxford dictionary and what people actually mean when they use it. To say it difficult to put the meaning of words into words with other words that do the same things is an understatement.

Wage - The part of total production that is the return to labour as earned income as distinct from the remuneration received by capital as unearned income.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...

It's a rabbit hole man. You know what I'm discussing though even if you don't like the vernacular (there's a word I never get to use ROFL) I'm using. Semantics isn't about getting the right syntax, that's grammar, which I suck at.
Posted by Coveny 1 year ago
Coveny
And what is the semantics of renting a car? Semantics is about getting to the meaning of the word which generally conflict between the definition that's written in the oxford dictionary and what people actually mean when they use it. To say it difficult to put the meaning of words into words with other words that do the same things is an understatement.

Wage - The part of total production that is the return to labour as earned income as distinct from the remuneration received by capital as unearned income.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...

It's a rabbit hole man. You know what I'm discussing though even if you don't like the vernacular (there's a word I never get to use ROFL) I'm using. Semantics isn't about getting the right syntax, that's grammar, which I suck at.
Posted by Coveny 1 year ago
Coveny
And what is the semantics of renting a car? Semantics is about getting to the meaning of the word which generally conflict between the definition that's written in the oxford dictionary and what people actually mean when they use it. To say it difficult to put the meaning of words into words with other words that do the same things is an understatement.

Wage - The part of total production that is the return to labour as earned income as distinct from the remuneration received by capital as unearned income.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...

It's a rabbit hole man. You know what I'm discussing though even if you don't like the vernacular (there's a word I never get to use ROFL) I'm using. Semantics isn't about getting the right syntax, that's grammar, which I suck at.
Posted by Coveny 1 year ago
Coveny
And what is the semantics of renting a car? Semantics is about getting to the meaning of the word which generally conflict between the definition that's written in the oxford dictionary and what people actually mean when they use it. To say it difficult to put the meaning of words into words with other words that do the same things is an understatement.

Wage - The part of total production that is the return to labour as earned income as distinct from the remuneration received by capital as unearned income.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...

It's a rabbit hole man. You know what I'm discussing though even if you don't like the vernacular (there's a word I never get to use ROFL) I'm using. Semantics isn't about getting the right syntax, that's grammar, which I suck at.
Posted by Coveny 1 year ago
Coveny
And what is the semantics of renting a car? Semantics is about getting to the meaning of the word which generally conflict between the definition that's written in the oxford dictionary and what people actually mean when they use it. To say it difficult to put the meaning of words into words with other words that do the same things is an understatement.

Wage - The part of total production that is the return to labour as earned income as distinct from the remuneration received by capital as unearned income.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...

It's a rabbit hole man. You know what I'm discussing though even if you don't like the vernacular (there's a word I never get to use ROFL) I'm using. Semantics isn't about getting the right syntax, that's grammar, which I suck at.
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