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WorldWarHulk VS Skaar

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Spock
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/27/2012 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 2,707 times Debate No: 23885
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DebateBehemoth

Pro

WWH ok I am taking my debates slowly now because of debates strength always on my tail
Spock

Con

I will use this round merely for acceptance and ask that my opponent sets the terms of the debate in the next round.
Debate Round No. 1
DebateBehemoth

Pro

I have to tell you I am not good in making terms in debates
No-semantics
No-weapons
Yes-machines(if there is help it is not allowed)
Yes-powers
No-any kind of help
No-mercy
Battlefield-Planet Skaar
Spock

Con

Alright. In the next round, please make your opening statements and contentions, and please pick a different character other than World War Hulk (Who's name is actually the Green Scar, as I wish you'd refer to him) to debate with.
Debate Round No. 2
DebateBehemoth

Pro

First of all you accepted the debate to defend skaar against Green Scar so I will use him
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Green Scar is not like hulks past incarnations this incarnation is the strongest yet that can lift more than 100 tons in calm state this incarnation is also ruthless Green Scar will beat Skaar Because as he said to Skaar in there battle in which Skaar lost has nobody told you I am the strongest one there is
Spock

Con

1.) My opponent states that Green Scar is "not like hulks past incarnations this incarnation is the strongest yet that can lift more than 100 tons in calm state".

This is false. Several incarnations of the Hulk can lift 100 tons in their ground state; in fact, this is the usual staple quantity of any green Hulk. This applies to the original Savage Hulk, Professor Hulk, Guilt Hulk, Banner-Hulk ... the list continues.

2.) My opponent states that "this incarnation is also ruthless Green Scar will beat Skaar Because as he said to Skaar in there battle in which Skaar lost has nobody told you I am the strongest one there is"

My opponent uses what the Green Scar says as evidence of his strength. This isn't a very reliable piece of evidence. The Juggernaut often says that nothing can stop him once he begins to move, but your favorite character, the Hulk, has done this on several occasions.

3.) Skaar

Skaar has all of the Green Scar's powers, including that of his mother's. He has the same lift limit of 100 tons, and is imbued with the Oldstrong, which makes his calm state minimum higher than the Green Scar's. He also get's progressively stronger with rage, just as the Green Scar does. On top of that, Skaar's intellect remains intact, and because of his mother's powers he is shown to be much smarter than the Green Scar. In their battle, the only reason he was shown to lose was the fact that he was going through emotional duress, and had actually given up the fight at the sight of the Green Scar saving citizens during their fight. The Green Scar then continued fighting after Skaar had quit. If the fight had continued with both parties at full tenacity, then Skaar would have defeated the Green Scar.
Debate Round No. 3
DebateBehemoth

Pro

This is false. Several incarnations of the Hulk can lift 100 tons in their ground state; in fact, this is the usual staple quantity of any green Hulk. This applies to the original Savage Hulk, Professor Hulk, Guilt Hulk, Banner-Hulk ... the list continues.
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False professor Hulk cannot lift more than 100 tons Only Green Scar,Ultimate savage Hulk,Devil Hulk can lift
JOE FIXIT:70 TONS
SAVAGE HULK: 100 TONS
GREEN SCAR:WAY OVER 100 TONS
http://hulk.wikia.com...
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My opponent uses what the Green Scar says as evidence of his strength. This isn't a very reliable piece of evidence. The Juggernaut often says that nothing can stop him once he begins to move, but your favorite character, the Hulk, has done this on several occasions.
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Green Scar proved his words by beating Skaar in said match
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-Skaar has all of the Green Scar's powers, including that of his mother's. He has the same lift limit of 100 tons, and is imbued with the Oldstrong, which makes his calm state minimum higher than the Green Scar's. He also get's progressively stronger with rage, just as the Green Scar does. On top of that, Skaar's intellect remains intact, and because of his mother's powers he is shown to be much smarter than the Green Scar. In their battle, the only reason he was shown to lose was the fact that he was going through emotional duress, and had actually given up the fight at the sight of the Green Scar saving citizens during their fight. The Green Scar then continued fighting after Skaar had quit. If the fight had continued with both parties at full tenacity, then Skaar would have defeated the Green Scar.
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Wrong again Skaar can only lift 90 tons on a clam state the old strong's abilities are to be able to get the kinetic energy of a planet like what he did against Green Scar but yet Green Scar was able to beat him even though Skaar used 100 trillion tons of strength Skaar did not give up he even insulted Green Scar.Green Scar punched him so hard that he turned back to a kid and banner showed mercy to his son if he did not he would have killed his son.His son's goal was also to kill Green Scar and Skaar had full intention of killing his father.
THIS SHOWS THE EXACT COMIC
http://youtu.be...
THIS ARE SKAAR'S POWERS IN THE FIGHT HE TOOK THE KINETIC ENERGY AND USED IT AGAINST GREEN SCAR USING 100 TRILLION TONS OF STRENGTH.
SUPER HUMAN STRENGTH:
As the son of The Strongest There Is Skaar presumably possesses the capacity for vast levels of physical strength. Considering his old power and Gamma blood, like the Hulk, Skaar has practically limitless strength. Once he absorbed 100 trillion tons of kinetic energy from the city to fight the Hulk and sent Juggernaut flying in space with ease. Skaar has been seen punching beings miles away, slaying the dragons of Sakaar, overturning tanks, and fighting Ben Grimm with ease. With the Old Power he is able to amplify his strength. Skaar's great strength extends into his legs as well allowing him to leap great distances.
THIS WILL PROVE SKAAR ONLY BEING ABLE TO LIFT 90 TONS IN A CALM STATE
Strength levelClass 100+; Skaar naturally shares his father's great strength, in addition to the Old Power, which bolsters his strength even further. Hence Skaar's strength enables him to potentially lift far in excess of 100 tons. However Skaar's strength at a base level is enough to allow him to lift 90 tons.
THIS ARE WHAT OLD STRONG POWERS ARE
Old Power: From his mother, Skaar inherited the ability to wield the Old Power, letting him channel the tectonic energies of a planet, granting him mastery over earth and stone. With the Old Power, he can break or mend the earth as he sees erhuman Strength:fit, turn his body to stone, and call up magma from the depths.
THAT RESTS MY CASE OF A WHILE
SOURCES
http://marvel.wikia.com...(Earth-616)
http://hulk.wikia.com...
http://youtu.be...
Spock

Con

Using my opponent's source, the article clearly states that Professor Hulk lifts 100 pounds in his calm state.

"While in a calm emotional state, the Professor is capable of lifting about 100 tons."

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Green Scar proved his words by beating Skaar in said match.

This is still null and void, because, as the comic showed, Skaar was clearly emotionally detached, and

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"Wrong again Skaar can only lift 90 tons on a clam state the oldstrong's abilities are to be able to get the kinetic energy of a planet like what he did against Green Scar but yet Green Scar was able to beat him even though Skaar used 100 trillion tons of strength Skaar did not give up he even insulted Green Scar."

Skaar does in fact only lift 90 tons in his calm state. However, the Oldstrong power pushes him far beyond this; the 90 tons does not factor that in.

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In his calm state, Skaar can beat every hulk except for Savage Hulk. Savage Hulk is the only Hulk whose rage factor increases at such an exponential rate that it totally eclipses Skaar. Every other Hulk is either on par with or weaker than Skaar. Including the Green Scar. You do not have enough proof to clearly state that the Green Scar would defeat Skaar; the one bout they had was, once again, when Skaar was under emotional duress, and the final blow was made while he was unawares.
Debate Round No. 4
DebateBehemoth

Pro

I am very sorry for my last post it was rushed now I will fix it,counter his posts and put up feats
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This is false. Several incarnations of the Hulk can lift 100 tons in their ground state; in fact, this is the usual staple quantity of any green Hulk. This applies to the original Savage Hulk, Professor Hulk, Guilt Hulk, Banner-Hulk ... the list continues.
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What I simply said is Green Scar can lift MORE than 100 tons not 100 tons so all of your past arguments of other incarnations being able to lift 100 tons is correct but not over 100 tons
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Now to counter
This is still null and void, because, as the comic showed, Skaar was clearly emotionally detached, and
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Skaar was not near emotionally detached why because the reason he attacked Green Scar was because Banner told him to kill a monster there was no emotional detachment until the end of the match.His main reason was to kill him he was nothing near emotionally detached
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Skaar does in fact only lift 90 tons in his calm state. However, the Oldstrong power pushes him far beyond this; the 90 tons does not factor that in.
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Old strong powers does not mean his calm state allows him to reach beyond 90 Old powers again allow him to grab the kinetic energy of a planet but The old power does not grant him any more strength in a calm state
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In his calm state, Skaar can beat every hulk except for Savage Hulk. Savage Hulk is the only Hulk whose rage factor increases at such an exponential rate that it totally eclipses Skaar. Every other Hulk is either on par with or weaker than Skaar. Including the Green Scar. You do not have enough proof to clearly state that the Green Scar would defeat Skaar; the one bout they had was, once again, when Skaar was under emotional duress, and the final blow was made while he was unawares.
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Green Scar's rage factor surpasses the rage factor Savage Hulk has And I am sure mindless Hulk has a bigger rage factor than Savage Hulk why because Savage Hulk still has Banner's control.They had 2 bout's first one Skaar made a huge crack on the ground threatening to hurt people Hulk stopped said crack but Skaar still threw his sword at Green Scar and walked away saying *Tell Him I will return for him*.Skaar has full awareness that they where still fighting his focus changed because he saw Green Scar save the people which he answered with *Those people I did not see them but you Banner sent me here to KILL a monster* Then Hulk responded *You are still here I told you to leave me alone*
Which Skaar was aware he got pounded even though he ahd 100 trillion tons of strength
THIS WILL PROVE WHY GREEN SCAR CAN CARRY MORE THAN 100 TONS(THIS WILL CLEARLY STATE THAT GREEN SCAR'S RAGE IS AT IT'S MOST FOCUSED
The green scar - The current hulk; has the intelligence of banner the cunning of the gray hulk and strength of the savage hulk his base strength is way over 100 tons. The Hulk of World War Hulk is a cunning and more powerful version than the previous incarnations. His rage is at its most focused, due to meditation training by his ally Hiroim. This incarnation has extremely high durability, as evidenced by his ability to withstand Black Bolt's voice (later revealed to be a Skrull), whereas the Savage Hulk could not. He has had training in combat arms, including broadswords, spears, and battle shields, and is a capable leader and strategist.
Another source of the Green Scar's strength in comparison to other versions is his lack of inner conflict, if not alliance, with Bruce Banner. Several instances have been shown where the Hulk and Banner have worked together strategically; most recently to disable Dr Strange. Caiera, the Green Scar's wife, understood Banner as well, and both personalities loved her equally. This is seen as the driving factor in the Banner/Hulk alliance. As a result of being caught in the explosion of the warp core of his ship which brought him to Sakaar, which destroyed the planet, Green Scar's base level of strength was dramatically increased. He can lift well over 100 tons in a functionally calm emotional state.
During a recent burst of an unexplained anger in New York City, Professor X had attempted to slow down the angered beast with intense power, however the Hulk had proven to be resistant to the psionic effects of the professor.
http://hulk.wikia.com...
UNLIKE SKAAR HULK IS DEFINED IMMORTAL THOUGH EVEN IF SKAAR IS IMMORTAL HULK SURVIVED A GOD BLAST THAT CAN KILL IMMORTALS.TO PROVE HE IS IMMORTAL JUST CHECK HIS POWERS AND ABILITIES HERE
http://marvel.wikia.com...(Earth-616)
Hulk as shown in the video even held back and did not want to fight holding back lessens your strength than emotional problems if he is undergoing one which Green Scar also looks like he is having
FOR MORE AMAZING FEATS
Among his most amazing feats are supporting a falling 150 billion ton mountain with leverage[171], ripping through a bunker designed to withstand the explosion of thousands of megatons in magnitude[172], eventually overpowering the Invisible Woman, the Thing and the Human Torch[173], matching the Scarlet Witch (prior to House of M) and Wonder Man, Iron Man and Vision, while the narration establishes that the Hulk's power is greater than their combined might[174], matching the Super Adaptoid who had acquired strength and durability of a hundred heroes like Iron Man and the Vision[175], easily closing the doors to a nuclear core that Thor and the Thing together couldn't budge[135], reflecting Gladiator's ocular beams back into both eyes, and knocking him unconscious[176], knocking the Silver Surfer out with three blows[177], matching two Avengers teams during a prolonged period of time despite becoming gradually weaker due to his physical separation from Banner[178], almost breaking the East Coast and threatening to break the whole planet by the emission of pure power from his body[147], destroying the Crypto Man after he was boosted with physical strength superior to that of Thor [179], overpowering Thor[180], pushing two spheres of matter and antimatter apart[181], holding together the tectonic plates of a planet[182], overpowering a strong field of energy with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet[47], destroying an asteroid twice the size of the planet Earth with a single punch due mainly to the superior toughness and to an impulse generated by the contraction of both legs[183], overcoming a power-draining mechanism which contained much of the combined power of himself, Doctor Strange, the Silver Surfer and Namor [184], applying force to the entire space-time structure to prevent all the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure [120], easily smashing adamantium [169][185], breaking up the space-time continuum [87], ripping off a powerful device designed to fight against the Celestials[186], and to overcome Onslaught's enormous strength[131](who was at least Celestial level in raw power[187]). However, probably his greatest feat was to send pure concussive energy throughout countless dimensions by the impact of his collision with Ironclad[188]. Thor stated that the Hulk may be stronger than he is[189]. The Hulk also grows stronger the more radiation[56][190][191][192] and the more dark magic[193] he catalyzes.
GREEN SCAR ALSO HAS A POCKET TELEPORTER THAT CAN HELP HIM IN THIS MATCH
I REST MY CASE PLS VOTE FOR ME
Spock

Con

"Skaar was not near emotionally detached why because the reason he attacked Green Scar was because Banner told him to kill a monster there was no emotional detachment until the end of the match.His main reason was to kill him he was nothing near emotionally detached"

Skaar was absolutely emotionally detached. In fact, you prove this point later on in your argument. The Green Scar beat Skaar while he wasn't even looking. Per your point, Skaar was indeed powered up, and prior to that moment in time had been winning the battle. When Hulk stepped out to clap his hands and save those civilians, Skaar checked out of the fight completely. For all those watching the debate, they need merely to take my opponents youtube source and skip to 6:04 and watch until 6:42 to see that Skaar was beating The Green Scar with ease, and that at the end of the battle, The Green Scar catches Skaar while Skaar has quit fighting. It is the only reason he won. Skaar was, once again, emotionally detached.

2.) "Old strong powers does not mean his calm state allows him to reach beyond 90 Old powers again allow him to grab the kinetic energy of a planet but The old power does not grant him any more strength in a calm state"

Once again, using my own opponents sources, we see that Skaar indeed can increase his strength through the old strong, as stated here:

" As the son of The Strongest There Is Skaar presumably possesses the capacity for vast levels of physical strength. Considering his old power and Gamma blood, like the Hulk, Skaar has practically limitless strength"

here:

"With the Old Power he is able to amplify his strength."

and here:

"Class 100+; Skaar naturally shares his father's great strength, in addition to the Old Power, which bolsters his strength even further."

All under the "Powers and Abilities" Section.

3.) "UNLIKE SKAAR HULK IS DEFINED IMMORTAL THOUGH EVEN IF SKAAR IS IMMORTAL HULK SURVIVED A GOD BLAST THAT CAN KILL IMMORTALS.TO PROVE HE IS IMMORTAL JUST CHECK HIS POWERS AND ABILITIES HERE"

Then obviously the God Blast cannot kill immortals. And Skaar is also immortal, like his father, yes.

4.) "Hulk as shown in the video even held back and did not want to fight holding back lessens your strength than emotional problems if he is undergoing one which Green Scar also looks like he is having"

He wasn't holding back. This is expressed nowhere in the comic book. I'm not too sure you can rely on what Green Scar "looks like he is having".

5.) Closing statements.

The rest of my opponents argument is irrelevant copied and pasted jibber-jabber. Once again, Skaar in a calm state grossly outmatches the Green Scar in a strength level, as evidenced by the savage beating he was unleashing on said Green Scar. The entire purpose behind Marvel creating Skaar was for him to succeed his father, just as Daken succeeds Wolverine, Franklin Richards succeeds Reed, and so on and so forth, each son being stronger than the father. If anything, a real fight between the two would end in a stalemate. There is no definitive evidence that my opponent provided to say that the Green Scar would clearly outmatch Skaar. And there is none.

I would ask that my opponent not ask for people to vote for him to close out his debate.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by DebateBehemoth 4 years ago
DebateBehemoth
Do you not get it skaar calmly can lift 90 tons e still needs the old.power to aplify it thus.not being calm anymore arggggh Nd godblast can kill immortals and at te end Hulk was winning
Posted by DebateBehemoth 4 years ago
DebateBehemoth
oh and stan lee syas it himself Hulk is the strongest character in marvell
While the Hulk was intended to be the physically strongest character in Marvel, Stan Lee admitted that the creation of Thor was to make a character who was "stronger than the Hulk, and smarter than Reed Richards, in a godly wisdom aspect." The subject over which titular hero is the strongest is the source of many debates between comic book fans.
But still Hulk hass beaten Thor 9 times to 2
Posted by DebateBehemoth 4 years ago
DebateBehemoth
I should have.not rushed my post
Posted by Spock 4 years ago
Spock
Why do you keep making these debates that have already been decided by the comics?

Whatever. I'll take it.
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Vote Placed by Wallstreetatheist 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct: Pro plagiarized and beat around the bush until round 3. Arguments: Con had better arguments and actually rebutted Pro's points well. Pro plagiarized much the rounds from other sites.