Would Hillary Clinton Make a Good President?
Hello! Here's how this debate will work:
R4: Rebuttals to Rebuttals.
Please note that I didn't say that Hillary would be the worst EVER, just that she would be a bad president. So we're not arguing who was/is the worst president.
I accept and am looking forward to an enlightening debate on a controversial topic!
I have one request of my own: Can we both agree to keep Bill Clinton's policies and flaws as a president out of this debate?
Wow, you excepted fast! I agree to not include Bill in the debate.
Here are my main overarching arguments:
I'll start off with Benghazi, since that's the one I'm most fumed about.
Imagine you're in the ambassador to Lybia's shoes. You're sending constant emails and phone calls for help, but you're ignored. You eventually, you know, GET KILLED along with three other men. How would your ghost feel? Clinton was on the recieving end of these phone calls and emails, and she pretty much ignored each and every one. When questioned about it later, she and Obama both blamed it on a stupid, stupid anti-Islam video. They JAILED the guy that made the video. Do we really want a president that will imprison someone so she'll look better? That will let someone DIE just because she might not like them?
Talking about her email scandal, WHICH IS RELATED, the Benghazi emails show she knew what was going to happen but did nothing. She even sent an email to a family member saying she knew about it but would blame it on something else. Many of her emails contain SECRET or even TOP SECRET files that, if a random person hacked into her personal email and got a hold of those files, could wreck havoc! Do we really want a president that doesn't care about national security? That ignores pleas for help by the people?
Secret service members complained in the book The Clintons' War on Women that Clinton was being a jerk to them and snubbing them (as in swearing to them and implying that she didn't care about their work). Are you kidding me?! These people were assigned to PROTECT you, Clinton, and you don't even care that they're trying to keep you safe? Do we really want a president that doesn't care about other people's work?
Clinton is also a big LIAR. She lied in Benghazi, she lies in debates, she lied when she was first lady, she LIES, LIES, LIES!!! She abuses her power to lie. She'll even lie when she doesn't have to. She even lied about the fact that someone tried to kill her during the 2008 election. Why?! There's no reason to lie there. And if she lied just because she could, why do we even trust anything she says? Lying always fails in the end. Do we really want a president that will lie to make her look better?
That's all for now, but I could continue on forever like this - I have other stuff to do. I'd love to hear your arguments soon. Please don't include any rebuttals until the 3rd round.
Hillary4Prez forfeited this round.
Before you vote Hillary4Prez down for forfeiting, look in the comments; his argument is there. He was on a trip and couldn't put his arguments down.
As for rebuttals in the order of arguments:
"In the current instability of world matters, we need someone who has an extensive skill set pertaining to foreign affairs...." If she really knows how to run a country, would she really leave four Americans for dead?!
"She's already proven it through her executive work." Can I have some examples of this? The quote is useless without evidence and websites, because as far as I know, all she's ever done in government is lie, lie, lie.
"...She has unparalleled knowledge of how the presidency works and its roles." She wouldn't be in government if she didn't know how the system works! And once you know the system, you find ways to bypass the system. If she knows how to bypass the system (which she does), than can we really expect her to be trustworthy? As shown in my arguments, it's already been proven that she lies unnecessarily.
"...We can all count on Hillary to forward policies that benefit the American people." Again, I need examples. Whenever someone asks her about her policies (look at the Democratic debates!), she's very vague and will avoid answering the question.
"She can...forward strong progressive ideals that will benefit everybody rather than just the prople at the top." In what way does capitalism just benefit people at the top? It's supposed to benefit everybody, and the only reason it isn't is because we have a bad president in right now that is plunging our country into debt. Is progressivism really a good thing? Obama said he wanted "change" when he was running for president. He never said what kind of change. Progressivism wants the kind of change Obama is doing, and it obviously isn't working well.
"As a woman, her acquiring the presidency would break numerous negative societal stereotypes about women." Women are already being treated as equal to men (except for those weirdos out there who think otherwise). Would you vote for Hillary just because she's a woman?
I'm looking foward to hear your rebuttals. Please do not include any rebuttals to my rebuttals here.
I would like some proof that Hillary is complicit in the Benghazi attacks. Perhaps a link to a news article or something of that sort.
I'm sorry, but I can't post right now. My rebuttals will be in the comments. Please expect them within 1 day.
Well, you haven't posted your rebuttals yet and I'm running out of time, so I'm going to post now.
"If she really knows how to run a country, would she really leave four Americans for dead?!" You have provided no evidence for this other than your vague references to "trustworthy news websites." The Republican House committee that investigated her found nothing that made her complicit in the attacks. This proves your argument about Benghazi wrong.
When I simply said that she's already proven her experience through her executive work, I simply meant that she was extremely qualified. In President Obama's video endorsement of her, for example, he said, "...I don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office." No quote is necessary because you and I both know that she is extremely qualified.
There is no system to "bypass." There is no way to bypass the Constitution. This argument is invalid because there simply is no way to "cheat" the system as you say. The more knowledge you have, the more efficient and adept you get. That's all that political experience means.
For your policy rebuttals:
You ask for examples. Hillary has pledged to: Reform campaign finance, take strong pro-environment positions, expand early childhood and higher education, fix the country's crumbling infrastructure, impose strong gun control laws to keep the people safe, expand and fix Obamacare, advance paid family leave legislation, protect veterans, and keep Wall Street on a short leash so that it can never cause a recession again.
How do we know progressivism is a good thing? When the society all contributes to basic human rights such as higher education and healthcare, it helps all workers to reach their full potential and grow the economy.
"Women are already being treated as equal to men (except for those weirdos out there who think otherwise). Would you vote for Hillary just because she's a woman?" I happen to be one of these weirdos. Simply look at things like the huge gender pay gap (women only earn 79 cents to a man's dollar for the same job) and the constant pressure in our society for women and girls to look beautiful. If a female president was elected, it would cause a lot of these societal inequalities to be reexamined and rejected. And no, I wouldn't vote for Hillary just because she's a woman. I would vote for her because of her excellent policies and qualifications for the job of President of the United States.
Thanks for the great debate!