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Harlan
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draxxt
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You, "Draxxt", are not an anarchist

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Started: 5/9/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Harlan

Pro

I intend no malice in this, I'll have you know, but, with a quick glance at your profile, I have determined that you are not truly an anarchist (as your profile claims). Truthfully, I am only trying to help you...to realize that you are not an anarchist.

I will make this brief.

Here are 3 definitions of anarchism:

"1. The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished.
2. Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists.
3. Rejection of all forms of coercive control and authority: "He was inclined to anarchism; he hated system and organization and uniformity" Bertrand Russell."

Any of these, or a combination of them, will work in my favor.

I will now make a list of why you are not an anarchist:

-The most obvious piece of evidence is that it says on your belief chart that you support the United States of America. This is pretty self explanatory, but here is some simple logic. Anarchy means no government. The United States...is a government.

-You are in favor of the death penalty. To punish (and kill) people as punishment for breaking a law would imply a government with laws...and enforcement of said laws.

-You are also in favor of flat tax. This also implies a government. There has to be a government to collect these said taxes. That is the point of taxes.

-You are also in favor of social programs. You need a government to supply these programs.

-You also support the war on terror. An anarchist would by default be opposed to the wars caused by confliction of different countries.

-In your debate "Should laws outlawing blasphemy be introduced across the United States?"
( http://www.debate.org... ), you say thus:

"The only way to keep us from clubbing one another to death is by upholding morals that are beneficial to society as a whole...If you were to take away these laws which have become widely known as fact, We see our government would become somewhat resemblant of an *Anarchy*. While that might please certain members of the voting community, we see that the laws you surmise as "(having) no need for) then you are promoting a lawless society...Will you vote for the debator who sides with lawlessness and antiesteblishment? Or will you vote for the debator who is keeping firm the beliefs as well as the politics of blasphemy laws."

I have provided sufficient evidence to make it obvious to the reader of draxxt's hypocrisy in saying that he is an Anarchist.

PS. Please do not be insulted, this is all in the spirit of agressive debate

-Harlan
draxxt

Con

In no way am I lying about my Anarchism. I will prove to you that simply because a few of my beliefs may SEEM to contradict, they do not.

"I will now make a list of why you are not an anarchist:..."

I will leave that be as it is too long to copy.

In the sense of my page and my beliefs, I had considered the possible hypocracy as well. My deduction led me to this logical conclusion that I'm fairly certain will suffice:

I have always (Rather, since seventh grade) believed that the world would be better off without a government and that lie, political scandals, and war were the product of those in office. And they are. But as long as America is a democratic/republic country, I will have an opinion based on what is best for that demo/repu state. I still believe we'd be better off without a government but if there is anything that can at least help the country the way it is (As I see no way citizens of America would lead it to an Anarchy.)

"In your debate "Should laws outlawing blasphemy be introduced across the United States?"
( http://www.debate.org...... ), you say thus:..."

Yes but simply because I debate something does not mean I believe it. I could debate "Spinach is tasty" on the Neg. I personally LOVE spinach but to win, I would have to debate that it is not tasty. Tough, but it is a debate.

In order to win that debate, I would first have to put myself in the shoes of one who would want (Or not want) the blasphemy laws in place. Therefore, I assumed a role not befitting of my beliefs.

I hope this has cleared up any confusion and I in no way take offense.

Thanks,
-EG
Debate Round No. 1
Harlan

Pro

I am satisfied with your response, I suppose. I back down and concede.

I would like to ask a few more questions though...

You seem not only to admit to the government/establishment...but to encourage the full working of it. For instance, the death penalty. It seems to me that an anarchist would want there to be as little buearacracy as possible. You, however, seem to believe in war and such.

Also, it doesn't make sense that you would put that you support the united states. Sure you can't do anything against it, but that doesn't mean you believe in it...

I have always perceived that section of beliefs to not be US specific, because this of course would be very limiting and biased. I treat that sort of thing as fundamental...the ideals, not as courses of action.

And to end I ask: why are you an anarchist?
draxxt

Con

I support the country itself for the mere fact that it is one of the few and largest diversified countries. I don't agree with it's government, however. Basically, I like the country, not what it represents. Make sense?

Also, The death penalty represents justice to me. If you murder, you deserve to die (Murder being killing in cold hate or without reason.) The death penalty somewhat justifies that.

Thank you for asking me to this debate and good luck in any future debates.
Debate Round No. 2
Harlan

Pro

Why, Draxxt, are you an anarchist?

just ignore this because it is only to fill space jo mama
draxxt

Con

Well, mainly because Society itself doesn't know what it needs. I have always believed in a benevolent dictator but, humans are corrupt. Therefore, let people learn for themselves what they need and how to get it.

At least, that's my philosophy...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Harlan 8 years ago
Harlan
Im satisfied with that, I suppose. I'll probably concede next round.
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