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GBretz
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ReaganConservative
Con (against)
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30 Points

You cannot be against abortion and for the death penalty.

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Started: 1/15/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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GBretz

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This is something that has puzzled me for awhile, so I'd like to debate someone that exemplifies almost the same views as the republican majority. I think ReaganConservative is an excellent opponent for such a discussion.

First, I'd like to clarify my meaning in the opening statement. My thoughts are, if it is a degradation of the sanctity of human life to kill an unborn baby, isn't it also a degradation of the sanctity of human life to kill an adult human, despite his deeds? And if not the death penalty, what about wars not in self-defense? Is an offensive (or "preventative") war not a breach on the sanctity of human life as well? I think that you can either be for abortion, for the death penalty, and for offensive (or "preventative") wars, or you can be against abortion, against the death penalty, and against offensive (or "preventative") wars. You cannot be morally justified to pick and choose.

I anxiously hope you accept this challenge.
ReaganConservative

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You bring up some valid points. Listen up.

First I will address the claim "you can't be against abortion and for the death penalty."

Putting convicted murderers to death affirms the sanctity of life by making sure those murderers will never kill again. It simultaneously assures society justice will be done. The taking of innocent human life is the worst crime a human being can commit and our penal code should reflect it by ensuring the penalty reflects the crime. When the punishment fails to fit the crime, citizens stop believing in the system. Abolishing the death penalty for convicted murderers takes away society's justice.

The same compassionate liberals who consider the death penalty to be "cruel and unusual" treatment of convicted murderers are the very same compassionate leftists who support partial-birth abortion where a baby is forcefully removed from the mother's birth canal, then punctured in the head with scissors and has his or her brain sucked out. These are the same compassionate liberals who condone and advocate the intentional creation and destruction of human life for the purpose of scientific experimentation. These are the same compassionate liberals who opposed the reinsertion of feeding tubes into Terri Schiavo as the entire nation watched her slowly die of hunger and thirst, one of the most slow and painful deaths imaginable.

I support our justice system, therefore I support capital punishment for those convicted of taking innocent life.

Now answer me this, what crime has an unborn child committed?

Now you bring up the question of how one could support the sanctity of human life and support offensive wars.

Answer me this, how many innocent Americans died on the morning of September 11th, 2001? How many Americans were threatened when Osama bin Laden declared holy jihad against all Americans, military and civilian, all around the world? How many innocent human lives were ended by Saddam Hussein when he used poison gas against his own people? How many innocent women did Saddam's regime rape and kill? How many innocent people are blown up every day by radical Muslims who strap bombs to pregnant women and force them to walk into market plazas?

I support the sanctity of INNOCENT human life. I support the life of the innocent 1.5 million unborn children who are brutally murdered each year by abortion clinics. I don't support the life of convicted murderers whom liberals want to give the right to enjoy the right to live, that very right that they denied their victims.
Debate Round No. 1
GBretz

Pro

GBretz forfeited this round.
ReaganConservative

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I'm still waiting for a response. I won't respond again until my opponent posts a rebuttal. The ball is in your court, buddy.
Debate Round No. 2
GBretz

Pro

GBretz forfeited this round.
ReaganConservative

Con

I presume my opponent conceded. I don't know why this person never posted a rebuttal. He or she was the one who challenged me to this debate. Oh well, we'll let the voters decide who won.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Conservative 9 years ago
Conservative
Nice Job! How would he even be able to come back with a rebuttal, it is obvious that you can be against abortion and for the death penalty. This shouldn't have even been a debate.
Posted by Bitz 9 years ago
Bitz
Well said ReaganConservative.
Posted by shwayze 9 years ago
shwayze
reaganconservative, couldn't have said it better. finally a conservative on this board!
Posted by GBretz 9 years ago
GBretz
Oh man, I'm sorry. I went to LA for the weekend and completely forgot about this debate. I'd like to do a real one with you sometime, I'm a little busy now though. Sorry for the missed rounds.

Why are people voting for me? I missed two rounds!
Posted by audraxheartsxyou 9 years ago
audraxheartsxyou
I am against abortion and for the death penalty.

Might not want to use cannot.
Posted by alexthemoderate 9 years ago
alexthemoderate
Why not? South Dakota is...and they are...the...pinnacles of American innovation...

No offense to anyone from South Dakota, but what gives?
Posted by Redman 9 years ago
Redman
GBretz is right. And if someone wants to debate me on the matter, just send out the challenge.
Posted by mmadderom 9 years ago
mmadderom
In no way are they contradictary positions. In fact they are complimentary. Both positions seek justice.

In the case of the death penalty justice is served by "punishment fit the crime". In the case of abortion, the unborn child did nothing to deserve such a fate, hence it's unjust to end their life.

I'd submit it would be much more unusual for a death penalty proponent to also support abortion, or an anti-abortion advocate to oppose the death penalty and still call themselves a conservative. Conservatives believe in justice regardless of the issue while liberals want to bend the ideals of justice to fit the issue at hand.

BTW, this isn't a Republican/Democrat issue. Those are simply political parties. This is a Conservative/Liberal issue. The basic tenants of being conservative ideologically easily explains what you seem to believe is non-consistent.
Posted by GBretz 9 years ago
GBretz
Sorry for taking so long, I will post a rebuttal tomorrow.
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