The Instigator
True2GaGa
Pro (for)
Losing
35 Points
The Contender
Nails
Con (against)
Winning
39 Points

You cannot tell one's race just by looking at their skin color.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/2/2010 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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True2GaGa

Pro

I will let my opponent begin.
Nails

Con

The one word that might cause some trouble in the resolution is 'one.' My opponent has failed to define it, so I will. I won't do anything semanticky and define it as 'the first number after zero' or anything like that. I'll assume 'one' to refer to people as a general principle.

Every race has a distinctive skin tone.
If I catch a good look at the color of your skin, I can probably tell what race you are.

For example, somebody with a whiter skin tone is almost guaranteed to be from Europe. I could also infer that a more chocolatey fellow is from Africa. These inferences of mine tend to be spot on.

To test this, I walked down the street making informed guesses of everyone's race, eg. "Arab!," "Mexican!," "Indian!"

If the proceeding obscenities were also accompanied by a 'that's not true!' I assumed I was wrong. However, I rarely heard such responses, thus I concluded that I can tell one's race just by looking at their skin color.
Debate Round No. 1
True2GaGa

Pro

I wish to thank Nails for accepting this debate.

I did not define it because i clearly stated that I would let you start.

One- A person; one person or thing

I see you have made a bold choice to do that experiment. I would try that same experiment, but it is dark as heck, and really, I just don't feel like fighting tonight. ;)

BUT, I have done one on the internet.

I looked at profile pictures and tried to guess. I was failed at this test. I know what your thinking. She is just saying that.

WRONG

Claim One:

I will give an example.

I am Italian. I have blonde hair, the same as Lady GaGa's. I have been called white. This is not true. I am currently debating the fact that Italians should not be called white. BUT since the other debater has failed to post, I will use another debate.

Koopin has used my debate topic, and here is his.

http://www.debate.org...

I wish you luck.
Nails

Con

One- A person; one person or thing

This seems incredibly unstrategic for my opponent to define 'one' in such a way.

I can quite easily tell the race of one person or thing based on skin color, as some races have very distinctive tones.

Indians, for example: http://www.bing.com...
Or, look at this picture: http://elproyectomatriz.files.wordpress.com...
You can immediately spot the one person who is not African.

The fact of the matter is, some people can be very easily defined by skin tone, and since my opponent has set such a low burden of proof for me, showing one of the above examples of this is sufficient.

"I am Italian. I have been called white. This is not true."

According to the United States government my opponent is, in fact, white:

"White: A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa."

http://www.whitehouse.gov...
Debate Round No. 2
True2GaGa

Pro

Again, I want to thank Nails.

I want to use people who are latino.

Can you tell the differance between Puerto Ricans and Mexicans? Most likely, you can not.

http://static-p4.fotolia.com...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com...

In your argument, please tell me which is which, since you can tell ones race by skin color.

Thank you.
Nails

Con

PRO forgets the definition of 'one's he gave. I only needed to be able to identify the race of one person by skin color, which is quite easy. Indians (from India), for example, have a very distinctive skin color.

I shall answer her question anyway.

"Can you tell the differ[e]nce between Puerto Ricans and Mexicans? Most likely, you can not."

I don't need to. They are both of the same race. According to the United States of America, their race is 'American Indian or Alaskan Native.'[1]

[1] http://www.whitehouse.gov...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
So you gave PRO all 7 points based on your preconceived notions? How thoughtful.
Posted by atheistman 7 years ago
atheistman
My sister is white but can be easily mistaken for mexican or even black.
Posted by True2GaGa 7 years ago
True2GaGa
@theLwerd i now consider myself white
Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
"YOU are the one who said my race was dictated by my nationality in saying I am Native American because I am Puerto Rican"

I think there was some confusion here on my part. I thought you meant that your ancestors were all Puerto Rican. You can disregard the last comment or two, then.
Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
Koopin
Must be black, according to USA, anyone who is not white must be black.
Posted by Danielle 7 years ago
Danielle
I haven't read all these comments... but GaGa, if you don't consider yourself white, what do you consider yourself? Out of curiosity...
Posted by Mangani 7 years ago
Mangani
Your statement from the debate:

""Can you tell the differ[e]nce between Puerto Ricans and Mexicans? Most likely, you can not."

I don't need to. They are both of the same race. According to the United States of America, their race is 'American Indian or Alaskan Native."

You are wrong. Puerto Ricans and Mexicans are not automatically "American Indian or Alaskan Native" simply because of our nationality. You following? There are white, black, Indian, and mixed (ie. mulatto, mestizo, etc.) Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. Although the majority most certainly have mixed ancestry, this does not dictate their race. If so, your entire position is null because your claim is "you can tell a person's race by their skin color".
Posted by Mangani 7 years ago
Mangani
You are the one confused. I never said Puerto Rican was my race. YOU are the one who said my race was dictated by my nationality in saying I am Native American because I am Puerto Rican. Try to follow your own statements, buddy.
Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
It seems many people are confusing race and nationality. Here's the actual definition of race. They are not hard to differentiate solely on skin color. Two are actually labeled based on the color of their skin.

Race:
-- American Indian or Alaska Native
-- Asian
-- Black or African American
-- Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
-- White

Ethnicity:
-- Hispanic or Latino
-- Not Hispanic or Latino

This is the same source I posted twice in the debate and people are still conflating race with nationality.
Posted by Mangani 7 years ago
Mangani
I'm not multiracial. Multiracial is a politically "correct" term made up by covertly racist Americans who cannot accept being black because they have "some" white in them. I am black. There is no question when you look at me. In fact, calling me multiracial is contradictory to your arguments.
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