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You should follow Stoic principles

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Started: 9/27/2012 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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acapitelli

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In order to live the best possible life, you should follow Stoic principles. If we live our lives seeking either pain or pleasure, we will have wasted our time, energy and ultimately our lives. Considering the words of Epictetus, he demonstrated the importance of detaching ourselves from everything in our lives, such as material possession and people. The basis of this idea is that we will not be affected emotionally or physically when this thing is no longer present. Another primary example from Epictetus is that if we take life as it comes and do not try and control things that we CANNOT control, then life will be better off for us.
sdavila

Con

Stoic principles encourage us to seek pain and pleasure in order to live a good life. In life, we must strive to want something, whether it includes pain in order to seek what we want. Life is a never ending struggle and often does include pain and we must suffer and use that pain in order to get what we desire. Stoic principles are important and can relate to anyone's life, no matter what background we are from or what we seek in life.
Debate Round No. 1
acapitelli

Pro

The Stoics believe in living life without emotions, so that we will not be affected by our feelings but rather we can life our lives with clear minds, and as sharp as we possibly can. Epictetus demonstrates that if we seek pleasure, or pain for that matter, that we will have destroyed our lives. If we seek pleasure or pain or allow these desires to affect us, then we will be pulled in various different directions, unable to control ourselves or live efficiently. The Stoic way of life is ideal because we will be healthier and live longer, since we will not be consumed with emotions.
sdavila

Con

Having emotions is a part of being human. Showing emotions is a clear reminder that we can be different and show different moods in every day life. Epictetus says that life is like a dinner party and when something is being passed to you, you either take it when you have it or it continues to move on, and you may never know if you will get it back again. If we take hold of the things that we desire, we can show that emotionally can take whatever may come to us. But if it passes us and we may never know if it will come back again, it is alright to feel emotional or feel pain because it shows that it does affect us. Humans can feel any affects in life and just carry on. We will be upset about it and feel pain but that is what it is like for being humans.
Debate Round No. 2
acapitelli

Pro

I disagree.. When Epictetus was talking about life as a dinner party, he meant that we must not have excessive desires because then we will never be satisfied. The key the Stoic principle is to not live life without emotions, so that we will be indifferent towards everything that occurs. Epictetus also demonstrated that we are affected not by things, but the thoughts and ideas that we form surrounding these things. For example, we perceive death as terrible because we have established this perception. If we do not have any emotions towards death, then we will not fear it or worry about it. This idea can be applied towards other things, such as marriage or love. If we seek love, we will unsatisfied if we don't find it. Live without emotions and you will live a healthier, longer life. Emotions detract from life...
sdavila

Con

The key to life is living a healthy and happy one. Emotions are a key component of living that life that we desire. Pain is part of life, no matter what. We find many things in life that gives us desire and no matter what, we will feel some form of emotions towards it. Epictetus doesn't understand what a huge part emotions play a key part of living life. When we do find love, it is an emotion and we can enjoy that emotion. If we do lose love, we feel pain and that is a key emotion. So no matter what if we find love, find something that is desirable and pleasurable in life, we feel those emotions and no matter what we have emotions.
Debate Round No. 3
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