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krystamaria
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JessAndDominique
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You shouldn"t believe anything on insufficient evidence.

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Started: 12/6/2012 Category: Philosophy
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krystamaria

Con

Debate topic: You shouldn"t believe anything on insufficient evidence.

MP: You do need insufficient evidence to believe something.

Argument: According to Gomberg, you need insufficient evidence to form a belief because insufficient evidence requires trust and modesty, which is an underlining basis to believing. Therefore, insufficient evidence is required because it aids in trusting the acquired knowledge that helps us from our identities and a sense of whom we are. Insufficient evidence is most prominently used during childhood which leads to us create a foundation to our beliefs.
If we don"t believe in insufficient evidence and only believe in scientific evidence we would never have the basic knowledge to grow into a better individual through understanding that maybe what we believe isn"t always correct. To contain the assumption that your beliefs are never faulty, Insufficient evidence doesn"t always have to be right but it allows you to question your beliefs which allows you to gain a better perspective and understanding of what you believe in which will actually enhance your beliefs.

Subordination:

MP [re]: You do need insufficient evidence to believe in something
└> SP[ec]: Because insufficient evidence provokes trust and modesty
└>SP[s]: trust and modesty forms the foundations on what we should believe in
└> SP[ri]: Trust and modesty is essential to acquired knowledge, which is essential in developing our identities.
└>SP[s]: Therefore, insufficient evidence is acquired into developing what we truly believe.
JessAndDominique

Pro

MP [re]: You shouldn't believe based on insufficient evidence.
└> SP[ec]: Because unfounded beliefs can be wrong.
└>SP[ep]:Beliefs prompt actions, even if they are dormant ones.
└> SP[s]: Beliefs effect not only ourselves but those around us.
└>SP[ri]: Therefore, an unfounded belief can have harmful consequences.
Debate Round No. 1
krystamaria

Con

Insufficient evidence is not harmful, because in order to believe in something one must believe in insufficient evidence in order to turn it into sufficient evidence. The base of our sufficient evidence is created through believing in insufficient evidence. Every belief doesn"t start off with concrete and profound information that is backed up by precise material. Thus, the very and exact start of our beliefs is developed through the insufficient beliefs transpired through our natural passion resulting into sufficient evidence later on. For example, William James states, "Our passional nature not only lawfully may, but must, decide an option between propositions." Proving that insufficient evidence is not harmful through saying that, we need insufficient evidence to guide us into making decisions from sufficient evidence.

Subordination:

MP [re]: Insufficient evidence is not harmful

└> SP[ec]: In order to believe in something one must believe in insufficient evidence in order to turn it into sufficient evidence

└>SP[s]: The base of our sufficient evidence is created through believing in insufficient evidence

└>SP[q]: Every belief doesn"t start off with concrete and profound information that is backed up by precise material

└> SP[ri]: "Our passional nature not only lawfully may, but must, decide an option between propositions."
JessAndDominique

Pro

MP [re]: To believe you need sufficient evidence.
SP [ec]: In order to deem evidence sufficient one must find the time to do so.
[s]: All evidence is insufficient until proven otherwise.
[q]: If the insufficient evidence is not proven sufficient then the belief is incomplete.
[ri]: if one doesn't have time to prove evidence sufficient, "then he should have no time to believe" (Clifford)
Debate Round No. 2
krystamaria

Con

Believing on insufficient evidence doesn"t mean that your thoughts or your beliefs are incomplete. If you truly believe in something and it holds an importance to you than why is that a waist of time? Are you telling me that having a favorite color, food, or animal is a belief not worth having? Is that a belief that should withhold a great deal of sufficient evidence? Not every or even all beliefs should contain sufficient evidence, because you"re foolish to think that just because something is proven to be "right" doesn"t mean it is. Everyone places a bias standard on a belief no matter what the situation is so, to say every belief that you contain is backed up by substantial evidence is you being foolish, because you know that"s not true. According to James, he states, "Maybe beliefs themselves are not (or aren't often) directly voluntary, but the ways we form and maintain them-by looking for evidence or not looking for it, considering it or not considering it, letting ourselves be swayed by irrational factors or resisting their influence- are often up to us." Stating that whether we like it or not be base everything on OUR personal choices, thoughts, and opinions, which are formed through insufficient evidence.

MP [re]: Insufficient evidence is required to form beliefs
└> SP[ec]: evidence is not essential for all beliefs

└>SP[s]: Bias" are placed on certain beliefs 

└>SP[q]: You"re foolish to believe that your beliefs don"t contain faults

└> SP[ri]: " Maybe beliefs themselves are not (or aren't often) directly voluntary, but the ways we form and maintain them-by looking for evidence or not looking for it, considering it or not considering it, letting ourselves be swayed by irrational factors or resisting their influence- are often up to us."
└>SP[s]: stating that whether we like it or not be base everything on how personal choices, thoughts, and opinions, which are formed through insufficient evidence.
JessAndDominique

Pro

MP [ep]: No belief is insignificant.
└> SP[ri]: Since all suggest action eventually

└>SP[s]: "No one man's belief is in any case a private matter..." (Clifford)

└> SP[ep]: "The truth exists, and our minds can find it" (James)
└>SP[re]: Holding a belief without evidence is unjustified
Debate Round No. 3
krystamaria

Con

Exactly, no belief contains an ounce of insignificance; because we find passion and understanding in everything we decided to believe in, especially our beliefs that have been created through insufficient evidence(MP). Of course, no one man"s belief is in any case a private matter(Q), because every starting point to a belief is based off of insufficient evidence, which is developed through others input(S). We form our beliefs from insufficient evidence, which have been transpired to us through the ideas, thoughts, and beliefs of others. Beliefs that have been molded through insufficient evidence are the ones we develop the most attachment to, because we have developed them through our passional nature. Just because they don"t contain sufficient evidence doesn"t mean they aren"t important to whom we"re. These beliefs are justified to us personally, because even though they don"t hold sufficient evidence doesn"t mean they don"t make sense to us, which justifies that it isn"t foolish to believe in them, because these beliefs are the ones we understand and reason with the most, because we define their importance in our own terms. If you only believe in sufficient evidence you"re developing a bias standard to your way of thinking and living(S). If you are bias than you"ll never enhance, or form your own beliefs(S). In times, this can cause you to not understand your beliefs(S), which will provide flaws within them. According to James, he states, "As a rule we disbelieve all facts and theories for which we have no use (RI)." Thus, proving that we use insufficent evidence even when figuring out the proper sufficient evidence to believe in. That no matter what we use the underlying bases of insufficient evidence all the time in order to develop the thoughts we desire.
JessAndDominique

Pro

MP [re]: Insufficient evidence weakens self control.
SP [ec]: False beliefs lead to fatally wrong actions.
[s]: "a bad action is always bad at the time when it is done, no matter what happens afterwards" (Clifford)
[q]: Bad actions can harm other intentionally or not.
[ri]: If you have self control you become credulous.
Debate Round No. 4
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