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Crayzman2297
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Kinesis
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Zapdos is better than Mewtwo

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/3/2010 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Crayzman2297

Pro

Zapdos is better than mewtwo. prove me wrong.
Kinesis

Con

Okay then, I will. Mewtwo is a higher level in the game, is in the Uber category in pokemon battling while zapdos is only in Over-used [1] [2], he has more plot significance in the movies and is generally considered more powerful. Also, he can talk using his physic abilities while Zapdos can only screech inarticulately.

[1] http://www.smogon.com...
[2] http://www.smogon.com...
Debate Round No. 1
Crayzman2297

Pro

Zapdos has practical uses, and is compatible with HMs like Fly. Also, mewtwo has weaknesses against bug, shadow, and ghost pokemon. All of which are easily handled by the electric type. Aside from water, what weaknesses does Zapdos have?
Mewtwo is also evil. I would say that that is a negative.
Zapdos, being simply a wild pokemon, has no such thoughts. Zapdos is obedient to trainers, and can easily outmaneuver mewtwo in battle, via the fly technique. Zapdos also has the power of paralyzation.
In terms of education, Mewtwo wins.
In a battle, Zapdos.
In terms of usefullness, Zapdos.
Kinesis

Con

Pro points out that Zapdos can learn Fly. Well, Mewtwo can learn Strength, Rock Smash and Rock Climb so Zapdos clearly doesn't have the advantage here.

Zapdos is weak to Rock and ice types, leaving it vulnerable to some of the most powerful pokemon in the Game, for instance, Tyranitar, Hippowdon and Mamoswine. There are no comparable Bug or Shadow types to deal with.

Mewtwo is evil for most of the First Movie, but later realises the error of his ways and builds a sanctuary for Pokemon, so he turns out to be a good guy in the end.

In the movies Mewtwo can also fly, so Zapdos has no such advantage. Also, he can pin pokemon in place using his psychic abilities. Mewtwo can also produce a shield to protect himself, while Zapdos would take the brunt of Mewtwo's shadowball and Psychic attacks. Mewtwo would easily win in battle.

In the games, Mewtwo has 100 more stat points [1] [2] meaning he outclasses Zapdos by quite a bit. As previously noted, Mewtwo is considered an Uber, in the same class as other legendaries like Girantia and Lugia. Zapdos, as well as the other legendary bird, have failed to reach that level. Zapdos simply less useful to have on your team.

[1] http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(Pok%C3%A9mon)
[2] http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(Pok%C3%A9mon)
Debate Round No. 2
Crayzman2297

Pro

I underestimated your seriousness in this debate.

Can we keep this on the level of say.... pokemon red, for GameBoy Color?
Rock smash and rock climb don't exist in that game.
Also, mewtwo cannot fly in any of them (no matter what he does in the movies)
Anyways, I was talking about in terms of when they were introduced.
The new pokemon have ruined the series :(
Kinesis

Con

All debates are serious. ��

I'm afraid Pro's attempts to invalidate the majority of my evidence by appealing to only the original games is clearly desperate. He has conceded my entire case, leaving only this plea in place of an actual argument. There is no reason to discount the sequel games, as they are equally cannon. As are the movies, which are endorsed by the same company and show insight into the legendaries at hand.

He has provided no adequate refutations in his last round, all my arguments remain valid. Vote CON.

Mewtwo: Ice Beam attack!

Zapdos: GRARGHH! (faint...)

Mewtwo wins!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by bluealpha 6 years ago
bluealpha
Really, mewtwo vs. zapdos..... mewtwo would win. He can learn nearly any move since he is the clone of the ancester of pokemon, meaning he can learn blizzard,ice beam, and so on.....
Posted by Kinesis 6 years ago
Kinesis
Pokemon is the third greatest thing in existence.
Posted by jingzhezhang 6 years ago
jingzhezhang
sigh..... pokemon......
Posted by Crayzman2297 6 years ago
Crayzman2297
@sportsguru: That link just ruined my childhood.
Posted by Kinesis 6 years ago
Kinesis
I'm pretty sure pokemon do eat one another - http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...
Posted by Kinesis 6 years ago
Kinesis
@SportsGuru,

That is one of the most epic things ever.
Posted by SportsGuru 6 years ago
SportsGuru
whatledge: No, this does not imply they eat pokemon. While the games do not mention this, in the anime, mostly in the beginning, light is shed upon the fact that non-pokemon animals exist, the orignal pokemon calling Pikachu a "mouse-pokemon", the aquarium in Cerulium City when Ash tries to find the Gym leader, and the original Pokedex mentioning Spearow eating worms.

Now, why did these references dissappear? I don't know, but here's one theory that explains it and a host of other things that really adds a whole 'nother level to the show: http://www.scribd.com...
Posted by whatledge 6 years ago
whatledge
Though this is irrelevant, I wanted to know if the people of pokemon eat meat. Wouldn't this imply that they eat pokemon?
Posted by Alex 6 years ago
Alex
I was referring to this. "Aside from water, what weaknesses does Zapdos have?"
Posted by Kinesis 6 years ago
Kinesis
Why do you prefer Zapdos? Jolteon > Zapdos.
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