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moe_511
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wjmelements
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a communist ecmnomic sestem is the best

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/2/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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moe_511

Pro

everyone should be as powerful as another person... havign more money thna someone else makes you stronger; strong to do wrong
wjmelements

Con

Communism- A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Communist systems are not ideal for several reasons:
1. The laws of economics show that communism makes people poor.
2. The potential for corruption is high.

And I will leave it there.

First, the origin of wealth is labour, and the ultimate value of labour is based upon several factors:
-Amount of labour worked
-The demand for the produce of that labour
-The supply of the produce of the labour
-The time required to produce the product of the labour
-The time required to be learn to produce the product of such labour
-The cost of living in a society
Source: The Wealth of Nations, by Adam Smith (outline: http://art-bin.com...)

For these reasons, the produce of one individual is never equal to the next.

Communism tries to make everyone equal and share the produce of their labour equally. They do this for ethical reasons of course. However, now the factors contributing to the value of the individual is:
-Whether or not that invididual is alive.

So the common worker has lost incentive to:
-work long hours
-study many years for a proffession
The result of this is a lack of incentive to produce, as the produce of one's labour is not what one recieves. When a society produces less, their is less wealth to go around. Therefore, everyone is less wealthy.

So, in one system, there are rich and middle-class and a few poor, in the second, everyone is poor.

2. The potential for corruption is high.
There is a one-party state in power. This political monopoly allows for the party in charge to successfully be corrupt and irresponsible.

Such tendencies happened under Stalin during the Great Purge and the well-known abuse of the Party during that time.
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In response to my opponent, economic inequality is just.
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I await my opponent's rebuttal.
Debate Round No. 1
moe_511

Pro

moe_511 forfeited this round.
wjmelements

Con

I hope that my opponent presents a case next round. However, for this round, he has forfeited. I await his rebuttal.
Debate Round No. 2
moe_511

Pro

moe_511 forfeited this round.
wjmelements

Con

I read the Communist Manifesto. It was real good. I am still awaiting a rebuttal.
Debate Round No. 3
moe_511

Pro

moe_511 forfeited this round.
wjmelements

Con

Extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 4
moe_511

Pro

moe_511 forfeited this round.
wjmelements

Con

All I can ask is that you...

...wait for it...

...wait for it...

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
"but leave out current communist countries Cuba and China"

People are running from Cuba, too.
China is clearly opressive.

East Germany was just the first thing to come to my mind.
Posted by mongoose 7 years ago
mongoose
What do you mean by "it was good"?
Posted by sadolite 7 years ago
sadolite
"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to
Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans
small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."
- Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959
Posted by Kratos 7 years ago
Kratos
also, communism will never work. a system where no one has power will end up as a dictatorship.
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Posted by Marine1 7 years ago
Marine1
I like how you bring up East Germany but leave out current communist countries Cuba and China
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
How very eager everyone was to escape communist East Germany.
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
Ever heard of North/South Korea? East/West Germany?

Yeah...
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
I took so long because I was multitasking. Sorry.
Posted by moe_511 7 years ago
moe_511
how do I do that
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
Hey, if you redirect the challenge to me, I'll have posted my argument by now.
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