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dairygirl4u2c
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Stephen_Hawkins
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a terrorist with a bomb in an unknown location ready to explode, should be tortured to get the info

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/1/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

Pro

hypothetical. a terrorist has a nuclear bomb in NY city. he says he knows where it is, and that it will explode in a day. all evidence supports that there is a bomb, and that he knows where it is, etc.

when i say "torture" i am assuming we might try a progressive set of tactics, rough talk first, then a little violent, then things like water boarding, then full out torture, if necessary.

most would argue against this as a matter of 'the ends does not justify the means'. even if we assume that that might be usually true (read, 'proportionalism' v. deontology), we cannot assume it all the time. it would be immoral to let millions die because of your mere thoughts of what's "moral".... it would be selfish, and immoral as a lack of action in doing what is necessary to save the city.

i am open to other arguments about why we shouldn't torture them, but i assumed the "ends means" argument would crop its head up, so I got it right at the bat.
Stephen_Hawkins

Con

I accept this debate. I assume the first argument is acceptance, so I shall simply accept.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

i don't know why you'd assume the first is acceptance given i started the debate right away. but i do acknowledge that often that is protocol here.
i am disappointed that we could not engage in more debate that would be allotted if we were debating right off the bat... as i am eager to prove why "pro" is correct.
Stephen_Hawkins

Con

Ah. shall we redo the debate then? Otherwise, there won't be enough time to actually discuss this issue...
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

it doesn't matter where when or how we debate. in at least some circumstances, it's not just justified, but morally required to torture a terrorist.
Stephen_Hawkins

Con

Vote tie, as debate done elsewhere.
Debate Round No. 3
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by Awesome-Sauce 4 years ago
Awesome-Sauce
you should rephrase the resolution to something about morality.... like "It is moral to torture a known terrorist with a bomb in place to get information"
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