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Moving on, what you have claimed about "it's not your choice" I would like to state that, if you are able to conduct what you wish, if you have everything that is needed, then I am unsure what is stopping you from doing so. Currently, we all have a mind, and I do believe, that we can all make a choice.
Besides that, your statement, "The women made the choice to have unprotected sex the end" Well, in all honesty, that may not be true. First of all; "There is an average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year." ( https://www.rainn.org... ) . I doubt it was their choice to end up like that, I would quickly like to point that out.
When you stated, "Should you spend your whole paycheck if you can't afford a medical bill to come up?" Are you actually implying that the human race would be ever so... Stupid? The average IQ of the people in America is 90 - 100, I would say that I clearly doubt they would even make such a decision. Clearly, before anyone would make such a decision of under going abortion, they would clearly think about the cons and pros.
Nevertheless, I look forward with this debate with you.
"Things happen for a reason and baby's can have good lives coming from good or bad situations" I would like to ask some questions about what you have claimed. If say, a child was born, their father left the child, the mother is still a young adult who barely has time for the child, then how is that child going to have a good life? I am uncertain, especially if say that the parent(s) cannot take care of the child. So let me ask you, do you really want a child to be raised up by parents that aren't even there?
Truth be told, what if the parents of the child was actually having protected sex, but with the only problem being that the protection, let say, was broken or so. Would it really be their fault that, even though they clearly placed on protection, they were unaware that it was broken? Then wouldn't that lead up to the company that supplied the protection, would they have some part to play in with the child's birth? Would they take responsibility for producing broken protection? It would lead to one massive chain.
And on another hand, the baby would grow within the woman's stomach, then shouldn't she get a choice in what happens? Are you really denying the woman a choice of what happens to her own body? Shouldn't she have some consent, have a voice in the matter instead of you just saying that she has to keep the child?
"Many people regard the right to control one's own body as a key moral right. If women are not allowed to abort an unwanted foetus they are deprived of this right."
An interesting fact is . Laws against abortion do not stop abortion; they simply make it less safe. The number of women who get abortions does not change when it goes from being legal to illegal. The only thing that changes is more women die. Every year, 78,000 women die from unsafe abortions.
"The important US Supreme Court decision in Roe v Wade to some extent supported that view when it ruled that a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy came under the freedom of personal choice in family matters and was protected by the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution."
So are you really going to deny such a right? Every human being has the right to own their own body and a foetus is part of a woman's body, therefore that woman has the right to abort a foetus they are carrying.
Never forget that in our day and age, countries still send out men, humans out to fight and to die. So until a day where all war stops, that is when I believe you would have the right to say that we should stop abortion, mean whilst, I doubt you have the right to continue on praising life. Besides that point, when you said that; "To your point if incest or rape is in play then I am okay with having an abortion"
If I may say that you are supposed to be countering against abortion. With that statement, it's still abortion, and you even claimed that, "Things happen for a reason and baby's can have good lives coming from good or bad situations but it is there life and if we stop them from living it then what are we?" Abortion s abortion, it's the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks.
"People can choose to do as they please we will all have to talk to the big guy one day " An interesting fact is that not everyone in the world is religious and therefore, that may not be something that everyone believes. A far fetch topic is Gay Marriage, and this plays into this topic a bit when you have brought up religion. Religion seems to be one of the key facts that humanity cant move on; being from religion protesting against love (gay marriage), with religion halting woman rights and so on. So when you think about it, is it really all that good?
That is all I would like to state for now, sources that I have used are posted below.
Also, to answer your question, I believe that the woman has the choice to decide whether to undergo abortion within the first 7 months. There is no correct answer where human life begins, it's mainly just a blurry line of what people claim. It is a matter of philosophic opinion or religious belief. Human life is a continuum---sperm and eggs are also alive, and represent potential human beings, but virtually all sperm and eggs are wasted. Also, two-thirds of human conceptions are spontaneously aborted by nature.
One of the most common arguments today against being Pro Choice is the fact that there is a strand of DNA in each cell of an embryo. This, as the argument says, clearly shows that human life begins at conception. The only problem with this argument is that there are DNA strands in many things. If someone exfoliates their skin, they are removing cells that have DNA in them. If the removal of a non-viable embryo is considered murder because there"s DNA in a cell, wouldn"t that logic also mean someone exfoliating would be a murder as well?
When you are talking about Ben Carson, may I ask if you have the statistics of children having such a good life from such a living state that they were brought up from? Surely, you must know that not every child will be blessed with such luck, if you may call it at that. Even some children with such supportment, including a family that wants them, and a house, would not be able to get that far.
Interesting and quick fact: Most people reject the position that abortion is always wrong. In fact, abortion often has positive benefits for women's lives and health. Many people believe that bringing an unwanted child into the world is a crime, and that forcing a woman to have a child against her will is morally wrong. Many who are opposed to abortion for religious or moral reasons believe that it is wrong to impose their values by civil law on everyone.
"You know you have had sex you know you missed your period and you should get checked out so you don't have to make that difficult choice months later. " The comment that you have stated implies that sex is bad and must be punished. Motherhood should never be punishment for having sex. Forcing a child to be born to punish its mother is the ultimate in child abuse. Anti-abortionists trivialize motherhood and childbirth by dismissing pregnancy as a mere inconvenience. They ignore or belittle the needs of the woman and the conflict she endures in making her decision. Guilt is inflicted when compassion is needed.
"It should not be your right to take a life past 6 weeks it's Alive. Alive. Alive! Take the loss and move on." So from your statement there, for taking the loss and to move on, are implying that having a child is a loss? And besides that, animals are all living and breathing, yet we slaughter them and eat them. Trees are alive, yet we cut them down and carve them. Yes, we humans value life so much.
When you praise about life so much, it's almost commercial to see that you're okay with taking away the so called "life" if it was caused by rape or incest. All I can repeat is that abortion is abortion and if you allow a woman who has been raped to get rid of a child, I believe that you should allow any woman to get rid of a fetus.
Nearly 9 in 10 abortions take place early in pregnancy. Eighty-eight percent of abortions are performed during the first trimester of pregnancy, and less than 2% are provided after 21 weeks.
Many religions support a woman's right to choose. Religions in support of a woman's right to choose include American Baptist Churches USA, Episcopal Church, Presbyterian Church (USA), the United Church of Christ, the Unitarian Universalist Association, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism. Only 23% of U.S. Catholics believe that abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.
A "right to life" doesn't imply a right to use someone else"s body to sustain a life.
Women do not have a "responsibility" to have children, and certainly don"t assume such a responsibility by virtue of deciding to have sex.
Outlawing abortion is very dangerous, both for women and their children.
Adoption still requires women to carry a baby to term and then give birth, both of which are also inherently dangerous.
Abortions, on the other hand, are quite safe.
Banning abortion violates a woman"s right to control her own body.
23%. That"s the percentage of Catholics who believe that abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. Many protestant denominations support being Pro Choice.
2 out of 3 women who could become pregnant are actively using contraception to avoid becoming pregnant.
The number of women every year who have an abortion because of incest or rape: 14,000.
13% of pregnancy-related deaths worldwide are related to complications of unsafe abortion.
I believe that is all I have to say, I would say that it was a pleasure debating with you, but the fact that you continuously kept clinging onto the part about life, even when there are people out there dying in war, dying from murder, dying from fire accidents, dying from medical causes - well, I hope you get the jist. I will continue to doubt your claims about life, especially since so many people continue to die without anyone actually being able to stop it.
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Vote Placed by sara_ann_dee 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Both sides for conduct because they kept the debate formal, mature, and organized and were very respectful to each other. CON made many grammatical and spelling errors in his argument - PRO did not. PRO was the only side to cite a source/s - so that portion goes in favor of PRO's argument. PRO overall used much more facts and statistics to support his claim better than CON did. His layout for debating was better and his argument was not jumbled into a big paragraph like CON's. He persuaded me more towards his side.
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