The Instigator
darkprincess
Con (against)
Losing
1 Points
The Contender
PoeJoe
Pro (for)
Winning
55 Points

abortion

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after 10 votes the winner is...
PoeJoe
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/3/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,154 times Debate No: 5878
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (9)
Votes (10)

 

darkprincess

Con

Abortion killing a living being that lives within the woman womb... does it not say in the bible as one of the ten commandments "thou shalt not murder."? On abortion aren't we doing just that very thing, Yes, we are.
I come now to define my first key word
Murder: deprive or take someone's life.
Isn't that enough just to say this act of selfishness is wrong. Someone who wants a abortion is murdering a life, depriving a life of what it may have become.

My second standing point is why would you have sex when you realized the risk of a pregnancy If you did not want such a thing then why did you not have sex with a condom, birth control or both for all I care. Because you made the mistake of having unprotected sexual relations between someone and you ended up pregnant you decide to kill because you don't want the responsibility, the burden of such a beautiful.

My third standing point is what you would suffer if you had an abortion. Some say you can't get depressed over something like an aborted fetus, but aha your wrong. Some in the littlest time get attached knowing that they made the baby and that there was finally something in this world that would love them no matter what. Yes the realization of such a thing is pretty incredulous.

Vote Con
because every child should have a family.
Thank you.
PoeJoe

Pro

My opponent's first argument begins with an over-rationalization. She maintains that because killing is "wrong", therefore abortion is also "wrong". However, this assumption is wrong -- killing in it of itself is perfectly okay. From hunting, to fishing, to the zooplankton in our toothpastes, killing occurs all the time. What I believe my opponent was trying to say though, was that the forced termination of human life is "wrong".

That it true, and I will not attempt to argue that point. However, a fetus is NOT a human being. Wiktionary, for instance, defines a human being as, "A human being, whether man, woman, or child; Of or belonging to the species Homo sapiens or its closest relatives." There is no mention of fetuses anywhere in that definition. And in fact, if you can find a mainstream, unbiased source (from a dictionary, online dictionary, or otherwise) that defines humans to include fetuses, I will forfeit the sources vote.

Furthermore, your conception of the word "killing" is also flawed. If we can assume that preventing life to become life is in fact killing, then every moment you are not engaging in the act of reproduction, you are killing potential life. That notion, however, is quite ridiculous; your idea of disallowing abortion is similarly outlandish. Therefore, the idea of "potential life" is neither equatable, nor comparable with actual life.

But even if a fetus were a human being, its "rights" still would not trump the rights of the mother. Who are we to expect pregnant women to voluntarily donate their body and life support systems to something else? Who are we to force a mother to devote eighteen years to taking care of a child? That is both unreasonable, and, arguably, sexist. Therefore, my opponent's argument that abortions deprive the rights of future humans should be ignored.

Besides, even if abortions were made illegal, women would still seek them, and this would be extremely dangerous. According to Planned Parenthood, "In 1972 there were 1,000,000 illegal abortions and 5,000 to 10,000 women died from them." When Roe v. Wade passed in 1973 (a year after the above-mentioned statistic), deaths from abortion drastically dropped. This is supported by the National Center for Health Statistics' own statistics.

Her third point is that some women will feel sad for having an abortion... um... so what?! Feeling bad is not reason to disallow abortion. To bring unwanted children in this world. To force women to bear a child. That is absurd, and only an appeal to emotion.

But above all, the fundamental reason darkprincess expresses her opinion this way in her oppening argument, is because she wants to inflict her morals upon the different people around her. (That is the basis to her second point.) The government has absolutely no right to control the morals of its people, and above all, that is why you must allow abortions. And that is why I strongly urge the audience to vote PRO.
Debate Round No. 1
darkprincess

Con

ummmm wow i don't know what to say haha even i have to say con is lol i learned something

FORFEIT
PoeJoe

Pro

I believe my opponent has forfeited this debate. I am glad I was able to inform her a little.

5:14 PM (PST), 4 November, 2008. Obama seems to be doing well. I hope he becomes our president.
Debate Round No. 2
darkprincess

Con

WOOHOOO GO OBAMA even if he doesn't get elected HE WILL BE MY PRESIDENT
PoeJoe

Pro

Pennsylvania is a good thing. The swing states will be vital. *waits and watches*
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Im_always_right 8 years ago
Im_always_right
Looks like Obama won by a landslide.

OMG I can't believe you convinced her after THAT arguement, PoeJoe!

I must agree you won, because she did forfeit though.
Posted by KRFournier 8 years ago
KRFournier
Wow. A debate in which one of the debaters forfeits due to being convinced of by their opponent's arguments. For this, I give my conduct vote to Con. Since even the debater was convinced by Pro, Pro must get the more convincing argument vote.
Posted by GOOFYTU 8 years ago
GOOFYTU
Just here to post: against abortion? I don't have it. LOL
Posted by TheSkeptic 8 years ago
TheSkeptic
Conduct - TIE: CON did forfeit a side, but she explained why and conceded the debate to PRO.

Spelling and Grammar - TIE: Neither side made serious spelling or grammar mistakes

Convincing Arguments - PRO: PRO refuted all of CON's points, and CON forfeited the debate.

Reliable Sources - TIE: Neither on any side
Posted by PoeJoe 8 years ago
PoeJoe
Joe Voting as a Cleaner

Conduct - TIE - Technically, CON forfeited a round, but she had the decency to post an explanation.
English - PRO - CON made several run-on sentences.
Arguments - PRO - CON forfeited the debate.
Sources - TIE - No sources on either side.
Posted by PoeJoe 8 years ago
PoeJoe
Errr... I say that everything angers me. I don't really care. It just "cramps my style" a little.

You don't need to be sorry.
Posted by beem0r 8 years ago
beem0r
Did someone mention evidence?
http://objection.mrdictionary.net...
Posted by darkprincess 8 years ago
darkprincess
im sorry poe joe i didn't knwo my deepest apologies
Posted by PoeJoe 8 years ago
PoeJoe
The 3000 charachter max angers me.

At this point in the debate, I'd like to request that no one give arguments/evidence to either debater. Please wait until after the debate. Thank you.
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