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Started: 5/13/2008 Category: News
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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auti96

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some people say china is a communist state but some people say its not i dont think it is because China is not communist nor is it socialistic.
It is also often referred to as totalitarian and a dictatorship.
Both are equally as wrong too.
Communism:
is a the opposite of capitalism so therefore it is impossible they are communistic. The first people who were allowed to use limited capitalism were the farmers back in the 50's because of the failure of collective farming. The whole country is one huge capitalistic machine now.

Socialistic:
means the state controls all production, manufacturing and business. That is impossible as well since individuals own businesses and those state run businesses are a mixture of state and private working side by side. Currently today, less then 20% is state owned. 30 years ago it was 100%. Example, their oil industry is a mix of private and state working together and their cost per gallon of gas is $2.25. There are no taxes added, all the revenue and profits are done before that with both private and state profiting. The USA could do that same, but we'd rather pay $1 more per gallon then allow any kind of socialism to creep into our economy. Our socialism is through war for oil while ignoring what the people really need.

Totalitarian:
means the state controls all aspects of life. That is simply not the case as individuals are free to seek new employment, open businesses, travel at will, immigrate, buy homes, become rich, buy any consumer product they want without permission, in short, do just about anything the people in the west take for granted.

Dictatorship:
They have an election system in place that is at the province level. Those elected officials, who are elected by the people, are then sent to Beijing to represent the people there and those people elect the president, much like many government systems in the world, like Britain.

One party rule:
True, but in recent years the government is encouraging people from outside the party to become involved in government and politics. They can also hold high office, something that was unheard of a few years ago. China understands that it needs new blood in its system in order to survive and do the will of the people otherwise China will stagnate.

What type of government does China have?
At this point, it is hard to say, because it is a mixture of democratic ideals, federalism, socialism, and authoritarian. From what I can see, and how China likes change slowly, that it is slowly morphing into a democratic federal republic, much like the USA has now. But at their own pace, not the instant change that the west demands of China. China is smart enough to know that instant change can have social and political repercussions and its best to take it slowly as to not wake the angry dragon of discontent and descent.
DucoNihilum

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As your proposition is very ambiguous, and in fact does not really exist, I must draw my own conclusions as to what I must refute. As you have listed several things that people have called the PRC to which you disagree with, I believe that disproving a single one of these disproves your thesis.

I disagree with two of your definitions, which I will focus all of my arguments off of.

First that the PRC is not socialistic, and second that the PRC is totalitarian.

No system is typically a black and white system, a country does not need to be fully capitalist or fully socialist in order to have elements of socialism or capitalist. Having elements of capitalism does not mean that one can not have elements of socialism.

My argument is that the PRC a socialistic and totalitarian esque country.

I will list elements of totalitarianism and then elements of socialism.

Totalitarian

* The government has a policy in which it tries to prevent you from having more than one child.

* The media is heavily regulated and controlled, no ills about the state are known by the people, unless by illegal means or word of mouth.

* Protesting is illegal, and can cause your death (See the 1989 protests)

Socialistic

* A large part of the government is involved in a top down, command style system. This is unheard of in true capitalist systems.

* Each significant economic sector is supervised and controlled by one or more of these organizations, which includes the People's Bank of China, National Development and Reform Commission, Ministry of Finance, and the ministries of agriculture; coal industry; commerce; communications; education; light industry; metallurgical industry; petroleum industry; railways; textile industry; and water resources and electric power. Several aspects of the economy are administered by specialized departments under the State Council, including the National Bureau of Statistics, Civil Aviation Administration of China, and the tourism bureau. Each of the economic organizations under the State Council directs the units under its jurisdiction through subordinate offices at the provincial and local levels. (WIKIPEDIA)

Market forces have been becoming more and more prominent in the PRC since the 80's, however the PRC is still a socialistic country, and it still had elements of totalitarianism. This is unacceptable.
Debate Round No. 1
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Debate Round No. 2
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I extend all arguments, and ask that as my opponent has forfeited her last two rounds, you assume that she has forfeited the debate entirely. Vote for me.
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Posted by Paradigm_Lost 9 years ago
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I would have accepted the debate until you made your last paragraph. I would say that China is definitely a Communist nation that is slowly betraying that allegiance in favor of capitalism.

And what is happening as a result? More people are pulling from poverty, they are fast becoming the most technologically advanced nation in the world, and have a trillion dollar surplus, all because they FINALLY got the damn memo... That communism is a utopian dream that creates dystopia's.
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