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zezima
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absolute truth exist

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Started: 4/3/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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zezima

Pro

Absolute truth exist.
"What is absolutely true is always correct, everywhere, all the time, under any condition. An entity's ability to discern these things is irrelevant to that state of truth." "Steven Robiner
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." "Daniel Patrick Moynihan

i use these quotes the show what absolute truth is. any questions or statements about the definition, please post in the first round.
Controverter

Con

Not likely.
Debate Round No. 1
zezima

Pro

is your statement true? or could it be false.
not absolute truth does not go by opinion. it can exist even if not everyone agrees with it. for example obama is the president of the united states. you may think its not true, yet it is.
please provide reasons or examples why it cant exist
Controverter

Con

is your statement true? or could it be false.
It could be false, this is why this is a debate, it couldn't be a debate if one side's opinion was absolute truth.
You cannot prove that Obama is president outside of humanity's subjective interpretation of reality. Absolute truth must be objective and this cannot be considered to exist.
Debate Round No. 2
zezima

Pro

absolute truth has to exist. for example my car cant be fully in the driveway and not fully in the driveway at the same time. its one or the other. this makes one of the options absolutely true.
A higher being exist. does he? it is absolutely true that it is one or the other. people may not fully know the answer, but that doesn't mean it is absolutely true. there is no in between.

please tell me why it cant exist.
give some examples.
Controverter

Con

You assume that our limitations of language and the word 'truth' can be applied indefinitely to the truly objective universe whereby anything can be true or untrue simultaneously.

For example, electrons are often found to be at two places at once but to claim them to be at one of those point is both an absolute truth and lie at the same time rendering it a neutral statement.


Absolute truth cannot exist because there is simply no way to identify what is or isn't absolutely true and if a truth is impossible to identify it cannot be deemed existent to a human being.

What if God exists and yet the moment we seek God, God appears not to exist? What if this isn't true? To any sane individual an absolute truth is never attainable, in fact the very core tenet of science is that absolutely nothing can ever be known with 100% certainty (but even that 'fact' is only known to 99.999% certainty in and of itself).

There is no conclusive way to determine absolute truth since anything can be a lie but be unbeknown to us until future revelation.

As for an example, please observe the video.

Debate Round No. 3
zezima

Pro

//"You assume that our limitations of language and the word 'truth' can be applied indefinitely to the truly objective universe whereby anything can be true or untrue simultaneously."//

How do you know this? Is this true? For you to know something, it has to be absolutely true. If it is not, that means you could be wrong and that means you know nothing for sure. This being said, you know nothing without absolute truth.

//"For example, electrons are often found to be at two places at once but to claim them to be at one of those points is both an absolute truth and lie at the same time rendering it a neutral statement."//

"Is both an absolute truth and a lie at the same time" " so your saying absolute truth exist?

//"Absolute truth cannot exist because there is simply no way to identify what is or isn't absolutely true and if a truth is impossible to identify it cannot be deemed existent to a human being."//

Is it absolutely true it can"t exist? How do you know it can"t be deemed existent to a human being?
Did you hear this from someone who knows nothing or did you come up with it yourself?

//"What if God exists and yet the moment we seek God, God appears not to exist?"//

He appears not to exist? I"m confused with what you"re saying. Do you mean he still exists but he doesn"t appear to us? Someone like god either exist or not. One of the options is absolutely true.

//"There is no conclusive way to determine absolute truth since anything can be a lie but be unbeknown to us until future revelation."//

Is it absolutely true that anything can be a lie? Either something can"t be a lie and can be absolutely true, or it is absolutely true that we can lie.

//"As for an example, please observe the video."//
Is it absolutely true you posted a video? Or are you lying?
Controverter

Con

You are assuming that to be true, something must be absolutely, undeniably true. this is not the case.
Debate Round No. 4
zezima

Pro

is it absolutely true what you just said?
(i gave a short response sence i wasnt given anything to refer to back in the previous round)
Controverter

Con

No but, relative to your argument, it's true.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by zezima 3 years ago
zezima
yes. they actually wasted their time trying to prove or disprove if you do.
Posted by TimmyFitz 3 years ago
TimmyFitz
If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around. Does it make a sound?
Posted by sudeepdino008 3 years ago
sudeepdino008
Absolute truth is meaningless. We understand things because we perceive them through our senses. What if all humans in the world are color blind ( of kind which is different from what really exists)? What if what we perceive as green is actually pink? What if our senses are alluring us? What if reality isn't meant to be at all? What if reality is species-specific?
Posted by CriticalThinkingMachine 3 years ago
CriticalThinkingMachine
Check out this debate for anyone interested in the topic:

http://www.debate.org...
Posted by BrooklynHaze 3 years ago
BrooklynHaze
For you Zezima

http://www.debate.org...
Posted by BrooklynHaze 3 years ago
BrooklynHaze
By that logic, everything everyone says is also meaningless because you can't prove whether something is absolute truth or false.

Debate.org is for debating, if you want to ask a question or be swayed over, then ask it directly. Random message some active debaters in philosophy someone will answer.
Posted by zezima 3 years ago
zezima
is that absolutely true BrooklynHaze? or are you just making a statement that could easily be as false as it could be true. if this is the case, your comment means nothing.
Posted by BrooklynHaze 3 years ago
BrooklynHaze
Absolute truth doesn't really exist for life forms. Even if it did, the human brain is capable of believing in anything whether fantasy or reality. The way life forms we know sense and use their perceptions allows it to be flawed, like mind tricks magicians and illusionists use. So anything we perceive is susceptible to being false.
Posted by Ragnar 3 years ago
Ragnar
I think Zezima might be using a circular argument. If absolute truth does not exist, therefor it is a truth that absolute truth does not exist... Well best of luck to you both.
Posted by BrooklynHaze 3 years ago
BrooklynHaze
Zezima, that is false logic. You are making the assumption that assumptions are always true.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con seemed to be talking about absolute knowledge, rather than truth. he cant even claim that his position is true because that would contradict his idea that nothing is true. pro pointed out obvious good points that werent really addressed by con
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Reasons for voting decision: i would vote for con since he made more convincing arguments and he also proved that"absolute truth does not exist" whereas pro was asking for more examples not for explanation.