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agnostic=all g no stick=default non religious position

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Started: 4/29/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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vi_spex

Pro

theist=belief that an imaginary claim is true=false
atheist=disbelief, belief to the contrary=false
agnostic=i accept i dont know=true
belief=be lie=doubt=fear=care=serious=humorless=slave=grave
belief=expectation=hypnosis=unconscious mind=matrix

theism=belief=i accept imagination
a(theism)=dis(belief)=belief=theism=i accept imagination
agnostic=i accept i dont know=i accept reality
belief is doubt, doubt is the balancing point between belief and disbelief
DrFuzenstein

Con

I accept the debate. Please present your argument in complete and coherent sentences.
Debate Round No. 1
vi_spex

Pro

only 3 positions exist on any imaginary claim, atheism, theism, and agnsticism, disbelief, belief or acceptance i dont know, all the positions are i dont know positions, so agnostic is specifik, and that is the acceptance that i dont know, which is to accept that it is false, is to accept reality

please explain how anything i have written is incoherent
DrFuzenstein

Con

As much as I would like to correct your poor grammar and lack of coherence, that is not the subject of the debate.

From what I understand, you are arguing that agnosticism is the default religious stance taken by any individual at the beginning of life (childhood). I think many people will agree that religious involvement or disinvolvement begins at an early age when parents teach their children about what they believe. Children naturally adopt the belief system exhibited by their parents and/or environment, and generally believe whatever they are fed. Islam, Christianity, atheism, and agnosticism are a few prime examples. Therefore the default religious position would be whatever the child's parents were.
Debate Round No. 2
vi_spex

Pro

agnostic is non belief, non religious
DrFuzenstein

Con

agnostic. n. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

The keyword here is "believes". Contrary to what you are claiming, agnostics have a belief system, also known as a worldview. Their worldview is that nothing beyond the material plane can be proven or disproven. This is not nonbelief.
Debate Round No. 3
vi_spex

Pro

belief is theism

agnostic is simple the acceptance that you dont know. what is your neighbour doing right now?

you are not talking about agnosticism, but a religion that pretends it has something to do with anything
DrFuzenstein

Con

belief. n. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

theism. n. belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.'

As you can see, belief is not theism. Agnostics believe that there is no way of knowing truth beyond the observable realm. Keyword: believe.
Debate Round No. 4
vi_spex

Pro

any belief is belief in god, as god is information, and reality is unbelieved
DrFuzenstein

Con

Belief does not have to be limited to a god of any kind. You can believe that your car will start in the morning or that you will still have a job next week. You can believe that your wife/girlfriend will stay faithful to you. Are you saying that you hold a polytheistic view in which every belief has a god behind it? If so, I will ask you to refrain from using your polytheistic beliefs as arguments in any future debates we may have as these beliefs are not observable evidence.

Vote con.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
belief is theism.. not agnosticism
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
so believe you are superman then..

look i dont even have to read any more then a few lines to tell you that is complete bs

am i wearing a hat right now? you can at best imagine it, as you cant go back in time
Posted by Finalfan 1 year ago
Finalfan
To me agnostic means Belief is real but is unimportant. at least not in the way we like to think it is! You are a mammal. With a sense of what, who, and where you are! Therefore belief in a proved infrastructure is legitimate with the level of awareness we share. I think what people don't get is that beliefs can become compulsive, not choice driven! At the end of the day it ends up counting up how much time you spend squandering your limited time with obsession over your own desirable belief!
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
i can make it clear.. if you dare
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
know=life=physical experience

sensory experience is life, as im dead without my senses, know is matter, and matter is only know
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
i dont know, is a position on A claim, 1 specifik claim
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
exagtly what do you think an agnostic is..
Posted by Finalfan 1 year ago
Finalfan
Not without risk of you lying to me! If you were to say " I don't know" it would not be lying. Also this conversation would not need to continue!
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
i dont understand.. are you asking me how i know?
Posted by Finalfan 1 year ago
Finalfan
O.K. then! You clearly love the nay sayer position! Almost like when the younger brother annoys the older brother by copying everything he does only opposite! You take a phrase like " I believe in God" and say something ad hominem like " Yes but that would prove god exists because you exist" or some such nonsense! It gets us no where! That is the essence of trolling!
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