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animals and birds are our entertainment but their punishment

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Started: 7/7/2013 Category: Society
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Animals do not want to ride bicycles, stand on their heads, balance on balls or jump through rings of fire, but animals in circuses have no choice. Trainers use abusive tools, including whips and electric prods, to force them to perform.

Not only are elephants, horses, hippopotamuses, birds, dogs, camels and other animals often beaten by trainers, they suffer from loneliness, boredom and frustration from being locked in cramped cages or chained for months on end as they travel from city to city. Instead of being loaded and unloaded like furniture into trucks and warehouses, these animals should be in their natural habitats " exploring, seeking mates and raising families.

Animals held captive in circuses, zoos and other entertainment venues need you to speak out for them. Educate your community about why, for animals' sake, parents should take their children for a hike or to a cricket game instead of patronising cruel animal acts.Bears are protected under the Wildlife Protection Act of 1972, and "dancing" bears are banned by the central government. But because of various factors, including the lack of a proper rehabilitation plan for the animals, the ban is not being properly enforced. PETA regularly gets calls and e-mails about bears who are forced to "dance" in major tourist destinations, including Shirdi, Shani Shinganapur, Kolhapur, Ahmadnagar and even the outskirts of Mumbai.

Qalandars (madaris) purchase sloth bear cubs, often from tribal poachers, traders or zoos, and then use pain and fear to train them to "dance". When the bear cub is just 6 months old, a crude iron needle is heated and driven through the bear's nose without the use of any anaesthetics or antibiotics, and a coarse rope is pulled through the sensitive, swollen wound. The nose wounds often fail to heal completely and frequently become infested with maggots. Male cubs are also castrated at a very young age to prevent them from becoming aggressive " again without being given any anaesthetics or antibiotics. When the bears reach 1 year old, their canine teeth are knocked out with a metal rod.

Beatings, food deprivation and the agony of being dragged around by grossly swollen noses teaches the bears to obey. They live the rest of their lives "dancing" at the end of 4-foot-long ropes with no mental stimulation at all " which results in severe stereotypical symptoms, such as pacing and swaying. The owners rarely ensure that the animals receive veterinary treatment, so these bears often die in misery because of a lack of timely medical attenti


Firstly I thank my opponent for bringing up this debate, I would also like to mention that this is my first debate and I am completely unfamiliar with the set of rules, but the structure of my arguments would mostly be rebuttal based and starting off with definition(s) to kick-start and set up my parameters :D

Let's start off by defining
Animals and birds: I dont think further definition is needed
Entertainment: an act used to entertain people (in this context with circuses)
Punishment: Rough treatment or maltreatment

Definitions from:

Now, allow me to state that Pro has failed to set the parameters of the debate to only Circus and Zoo animals, because in his debated topic he merely said "Our entertainment" he failed to specify how, for example i may just say being an ornithologist I get entertained by watching birds, I don't see how watching and being entertained gets them punished. Just as a point-out

Side Pro Points:
-Animals DO NOT WANT to perform and are often forced to
-Animals are often beaten by trainers
-Animals suffer from Loneliness, boredom and frustration
-'Dancing' bears are banned by central government
-PETA receives a lot of calls and e-mails about bears forced to dance
-Bear-Baiting practices in middle-east

Examples of entertaining activities without punishing the animals which
-Running with Dogs
-Bicycling with Pets
-Backpacking and Hiking with Pets
-Camping with Pets
-Canoeing with Dogs
-Bikejoring with Dogs
-Skijoring with Dogs
-Sledding with Dogs
-Rollerblading with Dogs
-Swimming with Dogs
-Kayaking with Dogs
-Canine Disc Competition
-Canine Disc History
-Canine Disc Play

All these have NO harm towards animals, there are no statistics online that shows that any animals were injured during the activities, rather there were stats about how humans were injured, we have a mutual share of the entertainment with animals and if Pro fails to deny any of these activities then Pro would fall as Pro has failed to set up a parameter for the debate that would exclude said activities

Above is a statement from circuses who were said to abuse their animals. However, in the article in clearly states how they only saw one side of the story and took it as a whole, the verdict of these people are likened to this: 'solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant', is likened to the fact that they created desolation and just called it peace without looking at things from a macro point of view.

It's wrong to say that circuses always maltreat their animals, because in order to get the best out of the animals, it does not take the whip in one's hand, rather its the connection seen only by the heart.

1) Animals do not want to perform.
Fallacy: Just because they do not want it, does not give them the right not to do it. Let's put it in a more humanly context: Just because we DO NOT WANT to work, does that reserve the right for us to no work at all? Definitely not, sometimes the things we should do aren't necessary the things that we WANT to do. The animals can only get fed and treated well if they perform or be put for show, because only through that would the circus folk generate income to maintain or upgrade facilities. Maybe yes, the animals really look tired and sad, but let's face it, how many people feel the opposite when they are working? It's as if the animals are doing their job so it is only reasonable to perceive them being tired.

2) Animals often get beaten by trainers
Fallacy: Getting beaten cannot be associated directly with cruelty, its simply too petty and not well-explained. Let us liken this to us in the working area, if we under-perform in our work we get a wallop from our employers through his scolding and brutal comments, and worst case scenario: retrenchment. If we do not do well in our studies, our parents and teachers might cane us or scold us. In the same way, all these animals are not beaten for fun, they are beaten because they are under-performing, we cannot converse with them like normal humans, neither can we give them a mental psychological treatment for them to improve. "No pain, No gain" is a perfect quote for this situation, if they want to improve, they need to suffer now and enjoy the benefits from it thereafter. As stated in my previous example, animals in circuses need to perform better to rake in funds for their own good, without it, their state of living will remain stagnant.

3)Animals suffer from loneliness, boredom and frustration
Fallacy: Animals in cages are locked up for their own good, using human logic, why do parents usually want their children at home rather then letting them out freely, one word: Safety. If we were to let the animals loose and about in the circus, they might a)hurt others as they are animals in the end, and their animal instincts can take over anytime (minor), b)run away into god knows where, this makes their safety exposed to risks and dangers which might prove to be far worse than getting locked up. In the context of boredom, one question, why are they bored or frustrated? It is because they have excess unspent energy, which means that the animals are given ample rest, so how is this cruel? From this point of view, i think it is safe to say that by freeing them just like that poses as a worse punishment than mere loneliness. Point has crumbled.

4)Cruelty towards bears (PETA received calls, e-mails)(Middle eastern practices that tortures bears)
Explanation: This all leads back to the fact that middle-eastern countries have such practices. I will not cower behind excuses which are petty or just total rubbish,I accept and acknowledge the fact that these bears are being tortured in the middle-east, only a fool would deny that. However, such events account to only a minority of events happening in the world regarding animal treatment. Just because a small fraction of people are total douches who rape young children that does not give you an authority to deem the human race as pedophiles who do so, I would want PRO and everyone else to look at things from a bigger picture.

As a recap for round 1
-there are a lot of activities that humans engage in regarding animals, but most of them barely involve contact with the animals and yet entertainment is still received (for e.g refer above)
-Animals do not want to perform as much as most humans do not want to work, just because they DON'T WANT, that does not give them the right NOT to work.
-Animals get beaten by trainers just as much as employers reprimand their employees who under-perform. Instead of feeling pity for them, we should respect them for their efforts and hard work by paying them a visit in the zoos or circuses, because only with income will there be improvements for their living conditions as a sign of acknowledgements for their efforts.
-Animals who suffer from boredom and loneliness are an indication that they are given ample rest. Loneliness is a fair exchange for the insurance of keeping them and those around safe and sound by confining them in a cage.
-Bear cruelty is AN issue out of many and should not be put on a single pedestal and serve as the only burden of proof from PRO.

Conclusion: By providing entertainments for humans, animals get acknowledgement from ticket sales which can lead to better state of living for them. It is far-fetched to say that animals will definitely be maltreated by their trainers because trainers rely on them for income as well. With that, I beg to Oppose and say Please Vote Con :D
P.S This was fun
Debate Round No. 1


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Since Pro has failed to provide arguments, I do not need to provide any rebuttals. Every point I brought forth still remains standing. Finally once again, Vote Con :D
Debate Round No. 2


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Debate Round No. 3


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Needless to say once again because Pro has failed to brought forth anything, his points are supported by nothing but rubble. So again I say, Please vote Con :D This concludes my first debate
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