are people born gay
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A)Society dictates how the majority of people interact with one another sexually and non sexually.
B)at birth a child does not understand the difference between male and female nor the complexity of a modern day relationship.
C)before a children reaches puberty there are no distinctive exterior differences between males and females, except the way they dress and the image they portray. the "image" is also dictated by society for example if a group of 6 year olds all cut there hair short and dressed in the same clothes could you tell the difference.
D)the world would be a better place if we accepted the fact that being gay is a choice
E)homosexuality is a freak idea created by society because the whole basis of it is on the principles of gender stereotypes if a boy likes the color pink for example it does not mean that he is gay.
I am not anti-gay in my opinion it is your choice however, I am against the way our society currently views homosexuals, they are not accepting them but they are making an excuse for there homosexuality by saying that people are born gay. This is a bad thing for are society because it makes being gay seem like an abnormal condition that mutates a gene. In my opinion I think it would be better if we just agree that it is an individuals choice to be gay. This would be better for society because people would over time become more accepting of homosexuals, just as people have become more tolerant for the most part of other religious groups. Forcing people to accept homosexuals by using the excuse that they are born that way and that you must accept them is not a solution.
Leading into your argument that before a child reaches puberty there is no definitive exterior difference in appearance between male and females, I do believe that there is a noticeable difference between the two. Of course some males may choose to cut their hair shorter than the typical female and vice versa, but does that have any direct correlation to one choosing to be homosexual? This presumption could be applied to a situation as saying that if you made everyone the same, then you couldn't tell the difference. My assuming this, you are creating a theoretical situation which is implausible and unrealistic, because that would mean that every individual would have to be the same, which they are not. In terms of image, society does not dictate how a person looks or dresses as much as one might think. Traditions of females dressing in skirts and dresses can be traced back past biblical times, as can males dressing in pants and shirts. It would be unreasonable to assume that society back them was concerned more with appearance than with functionality.
You also bring up the point that if everyone accepts homosexuality as a choice, the world would be a better place. If you apply the same reasoning to accepting that homosexuality isn't a choice, you draw the same conclusion which means that by accepting a false statement, you would achieve the same results as if everyone accepted the truth. Removing any bias from this statement, your sentence is actually a loaded question. You suggest that accepting something would make the world a better place than it is now, which leads me to believe that you think that our world is not as good as it would be if people accepted something that they may or may not believe in. You state that society unjustly dictates foment and masculinity, yet you also come back to and say that in is just for society to force everyone to conform to one standard.
In all honesty, I really do not know what you are getting at with your last point, though I will try to address it anyway. Homosexuality is not a freak idea created by society because it is just a label that is used to describe people who like individuals of the same gender. This logic could also be used to justify that bullying is a freak idea generated by society, because you claim that any concept that is commonly associated with someone makes in unjust. If homosexuality is a freak idea, then you must believe that society is forcing people to be gay, and that they are not choosing to be gay, as you stated in your original argument.
what I was trying to say by my first statement was that before puberty if boys and girls both dressed in similar clothing and had shorter hair it would be difficult to tell the difference my point being that. The Idea between feminine and masculine where created by society; in other words what if boys had long hair and wore skirts and girls had short hair and wore more in are modern sense masculine clothing. This would not mean that every individual would have to be the same but that to wear a skirt was regarded as more masculine and not to do so was regarded as feminine people would still have individual traits but these traits would not be characterized as masculine or feminine. To be gay often is characterized as having more feminine traits over masculine which is based on societies definition of the two. What I am getting at is that sexuality is created by society. Therefore you are not born gay but rather grow up in an environment in which you then decide your sexual preference.
you would not receive the same result because if people view being gay as something you are born with and have no choice in the matter. then they will accept it because they have to accept it not because they think it is the right thing for an individual to decide there sexual preference. Because of this people will still view being gay as almost a deform. If this happens people would never accept people who are gay. If being gay is considered by society to be a choice then people would be more accepting of it in the long run because it will be seen as a personal decision and not a preference you are born with. Also I did not say that people should all be forced to accept this standard I said that if being gay is viewed as a choice people would be in the long run more accepting of it. While if its viewed as a defect people will only accept it because the person who is gay has no choice.
Also I am not calling homosexuals freaks, I am saying that society came up with the way we all view having sex with the same gender for example in ancient Greece it was normal for men to have sex because woman where regarded as slaves in there society to have sex with a man was a great and holy event. Also I never said I believe society is forcing people to be gay however if in society the idea of being gay become a socially accepted norm more people will do it. Similarly to how if everyone around you thinks that baseball is a awesome sport it is likely that you will grow up to like baseball just as the majority of others do.
I hope that cleared things up a bit
In response to your points, I would like to address a major concern in that you brought up in your second argument. According the the American Psychological Association, "many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation. " The key here is that it is widely accepted that the vast majority of the population do not choose their sexual orientation, whether that be heterosexual or homosexual. Instead of accepting that it is a choice, which it is not, a better focus of accepting homosexuality would be to educate both sexualities on prejudice and discrimination. The psychological effects of accusing someone of choosing their identity could lead to depression, social anxiety, and suicidal ideation. Instead, great efforts could be made to celebrate the homosexual community and combat prejudice. A great example of this would be the ruling that the students at Baylor University decided that the inclusion of homosexual acts in the misconduct policy should be removed. 
Society has not created the way everyone views homosexuality, because not everyone views it the same way. In the past few years, homosexuality has become increasingly accepted and supported by people of all different faiths, religions, and ethnicities. If more people are accepting homosexuals, it would not have any direct correlation to the number of homosexuals, except for any individuals that may feel less threatened by coming out. Initially, it may appear that there would be a higher number of homosexual individuals, however, that number would only increase do to the fact that if society is accepting of homosexuality, they wouldn't feel the need to hide their true identity.
My opponent says above quoting an article that most people experience little to no sense of choice about there sexual orientation studies show. However I believe the reason for this is not that people are born heterosexual or homosexual but when a child is in his/hers early years and can be easily manipulated they believe what they are taught to believe is truth. In our society from a young age children are exposed to heterosexual relationships on television in music and they can see how males and females interact in the world around them. This is the reason why the majority of people are heterosexual, however if from young age you where taught that homosexual relationships where normal or acceptable they would accept that as a norm. My evidence of this occurring in real life is in Ancient Greece men had sex with each other and it was regarded as normal because back then woman where viewed as slaves in there society. To have sex with a man was considered holy and special. Therefore if our society excepts the idea of homosexuality there will be a significant increase in the amount of homosexuals over time. Because of this you will see a steep decline in the amount of children born in America per year and a negative population increase. after arguing I agree with you that for most there is no real choice in sexual orientation however I do not think that this is because people are born gay. Which is the topic we should have been more focused on. As a compromise a think that possibly it would be better if we simply just kept are sexual orientation to ourselves as it is no one else's business that people wont have to feel the urge of having to "come out of the closet" which is something that people have been encouraging, I think it would be better if people just kept it to themselves because sexual orientation is very personal. Think about the anxiety that there is for gay people who feel they must come out of the closet wouldn't it be nice if they did not have to worry about that and they just kept it to themselves?
Thank you for debating this topic you seem to have a very balanced opinion and open mind on this subject
Theoretically, if homosexuality were to be accepted as the most common type of sexual orientation there would be logistical problems. The primary reason that homosexuality is not the most prevalent form of sexuality is because couples involved in monogamous relationships would have to become pregnant or impregnate another person because two people of the same gender cannot reproduce. This most likely why homosexuality was never well developed in biblical times and carried out through the later centuries.
I also agree with you that sexuality should be kept to oneself, generally speaking, in that it in unnecessary to broadcast that means of personal information to the world. On the other hand, I do think that it wouldn't be reasonable for it to be a complete mystery in terms of a persons sexual orientation, because people would have a harder time getting involved with a romantic partner. Also, I do agree that is can be very stressful for a person to "come out of the closet", but keeping it to themselves could also lead a large amount of internal frustration and hatred because they would feel like they are supposed to hide their true identity from society.
Again, that you so much for debating this topic with me and this has a very fair debate. I also ask voters to please vote purely on how well we each debated and not on personal opinion. Thanks.
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