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white19863
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toiletlipz
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are we close to another civil or revolutionary war in the near future

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Started: 1/10/2008 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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white19863

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the the economy is decreasing and political pressure is up in the united states it will only be so long before the lid blows. and one thing that could trigger it could be a black or woman president. now i am not saying i am against a black or woman president but there are other people who would look at as a weakness. our economy resembles that of pre-natzi germany with the way the presidency is run and the shift of power from congress and Senate to commander and chief. not that long ago they said that the president is so powerful that whatever the he or she wants to happen probably will. so what would stop them from raising taxes without representation or putting something similar to the stamp act into action. there was recently an incident in the state of michigan where people refused to pay thier property tax. so as you can see it has already started. state wide and Federal wide government handle the situation when the problem spreads. but it wont be enough to starve the fire. one decision always begets another problem. and when the american people say enough is enough they will decided that it is time we take our own action. history has shown it always repeats it self. so it shouldn't be to much longer till war breaks out on our own soil again it just depends on what will spark the ceg or mabey it alredy is and we just don't know it yet.
toiletlipz

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white, while i do not disagree with the idea of "revolution", and while i also do not disagree with the information you've presented...i think it very unlikely that what your are inferring will ever occur in this lifetime.

i note this following statement in which you made...

"when the american people say enough is enough they will decided that it is time we take our own action."

this unfortunately is precisely the problem. when WILL the american people say enough is enough? i hate to be a cynic but apathy is far too grand in this country. i retract to the election in 2004 when people were more concerned over single issues like abortion and gay marriage rather than power corruption and election fraud.

the media is the biggest problem at hand. corporate media pumps the idea that we should all be more concerned with britney spears than what's happening in the world. unfortunately coverage on the war has virtually stopped, i have seen no coverage about iran, no coverage on darfur...there is a reason for this. simply enough, it doesn't get ratings.

the us vs. them rhetoric will also be an issue that will smite the "great revolution" at hand. shortly ago i received an email from an old friend of whom was inquiring about my political beliefs. her exact words were "i pray you haven't switched sides on us." being openly opposed to the war i was well aware of what this meant...she looked down on me for my opposition. she thought me an anti-american communist...or worse,TERRORIST (note the sarcasm)!

people are too afraid to speak up. people are too concerned with their routines lives. people are too concerned with britney spears. people are too concerned that abortion be illegal and that gays do not marry as to preserve the "sacred" american family life. people are simply too worried about making another dollar and then spending it. people are too busy drinking alcohol and smoking cigarrettes. people are too afraid to forfiet their patriotism. forgive my pessimism, but its the sad truth.
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Debate Round No. 1
white19863

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I believe there are to many saneros to just cast out the idea of a reveoulation or civil war. if you ask it will happen in the next 30 yrs. it will start out as a civil war and will escelate. people will use the declaration of independence as thier stance. for it says that when any body of people find a body of govermont to be appresive it is thier job to tear it down and rebulid a new and that is what will happen. you alyways here of how a sec. of defence has resigned or how some director of some inteligence angecy like the nsa or cia because of personal reasons. there are so many reasons for sombody of milltary or govermental to resigene right now. and that time will come soon and that person who speaks out. that person will be the voice of the american people. the george washington for the 2nd milenea if i may be so bold to say so. and it will happen in one of these srcumstances. right now people call for us to leave iraq. i tell you we may leave wihtin the next 1-2 yrs but there will be a lot of people in iraq and in surrounding nations who will wan retrbution. don't let the title "Iraq Democricy" fool you. it will change again and soon and change for the worse. and vengence will come along with that. think of post world war I germany and there is your proof history repeats it self. this time it will be iraq who want revenge.
Germany has latley ben calling for millatary indapendence. eventuley in the next 5-10 yrs germany is going to get tired of us and force us out and america will deal with situation. and sombody may not like that choice and act.
russia and north Korea are a joint problem right now. north korea is testing and making nuclear wepones. as well is iran. they have alredy said any action taken aginst any one of the following nations the other two would back the one. that is the start of World war III. but the thing is we won't be involved because we both know enybody would do anything to stop that from ever happing even if that meant starting a war on our own soil. anything to prevent nuclear war, which is what WW III would be. that would mean a rplacement of power or change in goverment.
The chinese have not liked us since post World war II. Because we never helped in the rebuliding efort in thier country when we used thier country as a base fore many operations. thier are still many hurt feelings over that time. and latley the we have not been number one on thier best friends list. wether it be through negotations, peace talks, or trade nogotations a choice will be made that will put themin a BAD mood and cause them to retlaite. and america will ofcorace answer.
toiletlipz

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
white19863

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Posted by toiletlipz 9 years ago
toiletlipz
I totally agree with you artC.

Word is Bond.
Posted by artC 9 years ago
artC
Pro is what happens when people without any real knowledge about the way our governmet functions form ill-based opinions.
Posted by DonaldAbraham 9 years ago
DonaldAbraham
In our lifetime. Probably. In my opinion, there HAS been a revolution going on. Every day. In Washington DC. Its a revolution within the form. Over the past hundred years, the powers of government at the Federal level have grown well beyond there limits set forth in our constitution. However I'm sure within our lifetime there will be plenty of violent uprisings caused by citizens. However I think the political motives will probably be very mixed. Just a theory though. We'll see what happens.
Posted by Chuckles 9 years ago
Chuckles
are you kidding me? America's economy is similar to pre-nazi germany's? Pre-Nazi Germany (if bythat you mean just before they took power) had inflation so bad you needed to run to the store with your paycheck to get there before it wasn't worth a loaf of bread. holy poo.
Posted by toiletlipz 9 years ago
toiletlipz
white, while i do not disagree with the idea of "revolution", and while i also do not disagree with the information you've presented...i think it very unlikely that what your are inferring will ever occur in this lifetime.

i note this following statement in which you made...

"when the american people say enough is enough they will decided that it is time we take our own action."

this unfortunately is precisely the problem. when WILL the american people say enough is enough? i hate to be a cynic but apathy is far too grand in this country. i retract to the election in 2004 when people were more concerned over single issues like abortion and gay marriage rather than power corruption and election fraud.

the media is the biggest problem at hand. corporate media pumps the idea that we should all be more concerned with britney spears than what's happening in the world. unfortunately coverage on the war has virtually stopped, i have seen no coverage about iran, no coverage on darfur...there is a reason for this. simply enough, it doesn't get ratings.

the us vs. them rhetoric will also be an issue that will smite the "great revolution" at hand. shortly ago i received an email from an old friend of whom was inquiring about my political beliefs. her exact words were "i pray you haven't switched sides on us." being openly opposed to the war i was well aware of what this meant...she looked down on me for my opposition. she thought me an anti-american communist...or worse,TERRORIST (note the sarcasm)!

people are too afraid to speak up. people are too concerned with their routines lives. people are too concerned with britney spears. people are too concerned that abortion be illegal and that gays do not marry as to preserve the "sacred" american family life. people are simply too worried about making another dollar and then spending it. people are too busy drinking alcohol and smoking cigarrettes. forgive my pessimism, but its the sad truth.
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