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Rational_Thinker9119
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atheism=a religion, like an opposing religion

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Started: 2/26/2017 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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vi_spex

Pro

atheism is disbelief, not non belief
Rational_Thinker9119

Con

My opponent claims that Atheism is disbelief, not non belief. However, "disbelief" and "non belief" can be essentially synonymous, but this depends on the definitions used.

Oxford defines "Disbelief" as simply a denial that something is true, not necessarily an affirmation that something is untrue:

Disbelief (Oxford) - "Inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real." [1]

However, Webster provides a different definition:

Disbelief (Webster) - "Mental rejection of something as untrue." [2]

When it comes to non belief, Oxford has a definition as lack of belief:

Non Belief (Oxford) - "Lack of belief in something, especially religion." [3]

Webster defines non belief as:

Non Belief (Webster) - "Refusal to accept something as true." [4]

As you can see, the truth or falsehood of my opponent's statement is completely dependant upon the definitions used. If we use Oxford's definition of disbelief and Webster's definition of non belief then my opponent's first statement is self-evidently false.

Since his statement depends on particular definitions, it isn't very substantial (and also has no bearing on the resolution).

Now, is Atheism a religion? It all depends on how one defines "religion"; Oxford has a few definitions (I will provide two).

Religion (Oxford) - "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." [5]

Religion (Oxford) - "A pursuit of interest followed with great devotion." [6]

According to the first definition, Atheism clearly isn't a religion, but according to the second definition it can be. However, according to this definition, sticker collecting could be a religion if followed with much devotion; it would be a religion but in a trivial way.

Webster's definitions aren't far off, I think everybody gets the point.

Are disbelief and non belief the same? Yes, according to some definitions. Is Atheism a religion? Yes, according to some counter-intuitive definition, but Atheism is not a religion based on how the word religion is commonly used; which I think should have much more bearing on the resolution.

-Sources-

[1] https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...
[2] https://www.merriam-webster.com...
[3] https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...
[4] https://www.merriam-webster.com...
[5] https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...
[6] https://en.oxforddictionaries.com...
Debate Round No. 1
vi_spex

Pro

disbelieving is not non believing

denial that something is true, thats like calling me a lier
Rational_Thinker9119

Con

Disbelieving is non believing depending on what definitions you use (as I proved in the first round).

Also, if someone doesn't believe what you believe that does not necessarily mean that they think you are a liar, just incorrect.
Debate Round No. 2
vi_spex

Pro

there is a big difference to calling some one a lier and saying he might be right

incorrect.. same disbelief, unless its not about beliefs. as you could be right about some one being incorrect
Rational_Thinker9119

Con

The point remains that if you don't use the word "religion" in a trivial way (a way in which even sticker collecting is a religion), then the resolution is false and Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is either a lack of belief in God/ religion (Weak Atheism), or belief/ knowledge that God doesn't exist/ religion is false (Strong Atheism) [https://sites.google.com...]

Because the resolution is false under any meaningful/ intuitive definition of "religion"; the resolution is negated.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by whiteflame 1 year ago
whiteflame
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>Reported vote: FollowerofChrist1955// Mod action: Removed<

7 points to Pro. Reasons for voting decision: Pro is correct by way of simple FACT. Upon request for listing of world Religions Atheism was listed within its column. Unbelievers while unbelieving demonstrate no malicious conduct towards God, this is not true of atheist who clearly and obviously demonstrate a venomous connotation whenever they speak of matters of God. Unbelievers state a disbelief in ability to accept the existence of God, citing no experiences, where as atheist abjectly DENY any suggestion of God whatsoever. In point of fact emphatic in the denial OF existence despite any demonstrations of evidence or appearances of evidence. They clearly are not the same. Nor synonymous with one another.

[*Reason for removal*] The voter appears to argue the issue for Pro rather than providing any reason from the debate itself to explain his vote. The voter never assesses arguments made by either side, nor does he explain any of the other points allocated.
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Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
you are full of it
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 1 year ago
FollowerofChrist1955
I was an unbeliever, and am no longer so.
Tell me Con, if I was an atheist that would clearly BE IMPOSSIBLE, As our friend Oxford clearly states "inability or refusal " my acceptance of God, is neither of those. Thus unbelievers are NOT atheist as we ARE ABLE to accept God. Atheist .... are NOT.

Those CLAIMING to be atheist were in fact all along, nothing more than unbelievers in atheist clothing, to put the red riding hood twist upon it.
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 1 year ago
FollowerofChrist1955
Trash ..... Atheist are NOT unbelievers, they are atheist, they object, reject and demonstrate hatred towards God. Something unbelievers do not do.

So are they synonymous? NO
Posted by whiteflame 1 year ago
whiteflame
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>Reported vote: DarkPoet// Mod action: Removed<

7 points to Con. Reasons for voting decision: I agree with the Instigators views, however he didnt give any good arguments supporting this simple debate. The Contender gave a solid argument, while the Instigator continuously repeated the same information.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) The voter doesn"t explain conduct, S&G or sources. (2) Arguments are insufficiently explained. The voter is required to specifically assess arguments made by both debaters. Merely stating that one side gave good arguments while the other repeated themselves is not sufficient.
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Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
saying maybe is not saying never
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
saying no is not saying maybe
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
wrong
Posted by Masterful 1 year ago
Masterful
Dislike is the same as non like, as both dis and non are negative.

This principle applies to disbelieve and non belief.
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
just saying it dosnt make it so..
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