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jd6089
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izbo10
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Started: 8/29/2011 Category: Religion
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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jd6089

Pro

saw an atheist online wanted to have a quick debate:
Resolution:
The agnostic approach is preferable to the atheistic approach
izbo10

Con

clarification, we are talking belief in god right?
Debate Round No. 1
jd6089

Pro

yes.
thank you for accepting:

atheism: The position that there are no deities.

How can one know with certainty that god doesn't exist.

There are big debates and arguments on the existence of god, there are philosophy professors who believe in god.
How can one claim to Know with certainty that there is no god. To take a definite position on such an important and unclear matter is in my opinion foolhardy.

Even if you have arguments against god. There are counter arguments and great geniuses who devote thier life to debateing this. it cant be clear.

The agnostic approach is therefore more appropriate for such a matter.
It is the approach of open mindedness and objectivity.
izbo10

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izbo10 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Cobo 5 years ago
Cobo
EAT IT!!! Just Eat it!!
Posted by izbo10 5 years ago
izbo10
When it comes to knowledge there are agnostics and there are gnostics. If, you really want to throw in the word agnostic to the theological question of belief, one must then decide are you agnostic atheist or agnostic theist.

Agnostic atheist meaning one who lacks belief in god, but also lacks the knowledge or agnostic theist one who possesses the positive attribute of belief in god, while lacking knowledge. Perhaps my opponent is confusing agnostic with weak and strong atheism.

weak atheism- a person who does not hold the positive position that there is no god, but lacks the belief in god.

strong atheism- a person who does hold the position that there is no god, therefore has no belief in god.

In conclusion, when asked if this was about belief in god, my opponent clearly said yes. Yet, his entire position being of the root word gnostic has to do with knowledge not belief. So, the position is non-sequitur. Even if the person says they don't know if they believe in god, that does not mean the person does not meet one of the definitions. In this case, that person should be atheist, as they clearly don't place trust or confidence in the existence of god. Which is what by definition belief in god is, and by definition since they are not one who places trust or confidence in the existence of god, they do not believe. This makes said person atheist. One of only 2 possible positions when it comes to belief.
Posted by izbo10 5 years ago
izbo10
Thanks to my opponent firstly we must establish definitions

Theist- one who believes in the existence of a god or gods

http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

gnostic- Of, relating to, or possessing intellectual or spiritual knowledge

http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

a(prefix)- no, absence of, without, lack of, not

http://wordinfo.info...

So, when it comes to belief in god, we have this dichotomy:

theist as defined: one who believes in the existence of a god or gods

and atheist- not one who believes in god.

This is basic, either you contain the positive attribute of belief or The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

or you do not. So, in terms of belief there are theists and atheists.
Posted by izbo10 5 years ago
izbo10
did not even have time to write out my response.
Posted by izbo10 5 years ago
izbo10
how was this debate set up.
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Reasons for voting decision: forfeit, trolling, and just general stupidity leads me to vote pro.
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Reasons for voting decision: Izbo10 forfeited and thus could not present a rebuttal to jd6089's case....
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Reasons for voting decision: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN'T SAY YOU LOST THIS. EAT IT!!!!!
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit... bizarre.