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dairygirl4u2c
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spencetheguy
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bible = fallible

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Started: 1/3/2008 Category: Religion
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

Pro

the outrageousness speaks for itself.

---When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

--Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

---Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the law says. And if they desire to learn anything, let thorn ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church."
I Cor 14:34.35

----"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB

-----Exodus 22:16, where we read "If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed, and lies with her, he shall give the marriage present for her, and make her his wife." But when we look at the verse immediately following, we get a whole different picture. In verse 17 we read, "If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equivalent to the marriage present for virgins."

--Kill Your Neighbors
(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

---2 Kings 2:23-24
"Elisha Is Jeered
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths."
Now, granted,they made fun of him. But c'mon. Plus, why doesn't this tstuff happen nowadays?

even if these are not the way things are done anymore, it still does not answer why it ever was, and by "God"'s command
spencetheguy

Con

You did not present any arguments and i do not think that your quotes speak for them selvs. i assume you intend to place those rules and what not in a modern day setting and compare them to our laws. of coarse they sound alien and strange and even barbaric. they are fro another culture thousands of years ago. i noticed how none of your quotes were from the new testament. the old law of moses that you used was supposed to be a letter of the law type system that taught principles through strict rules and regulations. when the Savior came in the new testament he abolished those rules as predicted in the old testament and instituted the ideas that we see today. for instance do not lie with an unmarried woman....ect. became do not cheat on your spose or have sex out of wedlock which is a very important rule that allowed societies to flourish. those outragious laws i assume you to think are wrong and bad for whatever reason served a purpose. the bible does not teach
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."
i teaches do not have premarital sex.
rules are placed there as an object lesson. like do not insult prophet of god, the husband is the leader of the family ect.
so in the context that i think you are trying to argue the bible is not fallible. these actions and laws teach moral values and responsibilities.
what do you mean by fallible anyway? who is to decide that? Because you think that the bible is wrong does not mean that others when they do what it says live happier and better lives.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

dairygirl4u2c forfeited this round.
spencetheguy

Con

outside the context of the initial argument the topic is can agree. there are errors that entered into the bible as a result of translating and transcribing copies.
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

dairygirl4u2c forfeited this round.
spencetheguy

Con

the savior taught word of the law not the letter. meaning that the basic idea is what is important and not the actual law.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Lenfent 8 years ago
Lenfent
I think that the bible is indeed, fallible. However, dairygirl4u2c, you did nothing to prove that point aside from quote the bible and say nothing in support of your argument. Whether I agree with the initial statement or not, your performance was dire. You certainly did not earn my vote.
Posted by rwebberc 8 years ago
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I saw she has 3 wins, who is losing to her???!!!
Posted by solo 8 years ago
solo
dairygirl4u2c, THE HORSE IS DEAD!!! STOP BEATING IT ALREADY!
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