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cheyennebodie
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Crillysa
Pro (for)
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capitalism vs. communism.capitalism is the only one that has freedom builtt in it.

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Crillysa
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/30/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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cheyennebodie

Con

with capitalism fences are built to keep people out. Communism ALWAYS has to build fences to keep those who yearn to be free in.Because they are the ones who will have to pay the bills.The IRON curtain. The BAMBOO curtain, as examples.
Crillysa

Pro

Thank you again Con for providing an interesting topic of debate.

Since Con has failed to provide explicit definitions for the terms he used in his opening argument, Pro will take the liberty to extrapolate the general working definition that seems to be what Con is proposing.

The first term to define is Communism, in this case, Con seems to propose that the USSR and China are examples of a Communist system. Pro cannot accept this definition. Neither the USSR nor the People's Republic of China claim in any way to run a Communist system of government. This is clear in the nomenclature of both nation's names: USSR stands for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [1], with emphasis on Socialist Republics. Anyone with even basic knowledge of Karl Marx's theoretical works would remember that for a Communist system to evolve, one must first have a Socialist one. The same is true with China- People's Republic of China- again, they do not claim to be a Communist state- rather a Socialist one, that they hope will evolve into the Communist state that Marx envisioned.

Therefore, since no nation on Earth has actually claimed to run a Communist system [2], Con's arguments on the Iron Curtain (GDR) and the Bamboo Curtain (PROC) are invalidated.

The resolution is negated.

Footnotes:
[1] http://www.history.com... " the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) is established"
[2] Steele, David (1992). From Marx to Mises: Post-Capitalist Society and the Challenge of Economic Calculation. Open Court Publishing Company. p. 45. ISBN 978-0875484495. "Among Western journalists the term "Communist" came to refer exclusively to regimes and movements associated with the Communist International and its offspring: regimes which insisted that they were not communist but socialist, and movements which were barely communist in any sense at all"
Debate Round No. 1
cheyennebodie

Con

cheyennebodie forfeited this round.
Crillysa

Pro

As none of my rebuttals have been countered, the resolution still remains negated.
Debate Round No. 2
cheyennebodie

Con

cheyennebodie forfeited this round.
Crillysa

Pro

As none of my rebuttals have been countered, the resolution still remains negated.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by grotto77 3 years ago
grotto77
Pro provided solid arguments.

I don't find the actual question rational at all. Communism indeed doesn't provide much freedom and civil rights, as it tends to be oppressive (since it sucks and people don't want it, so it was usually maintained by force). But capitalism alone is an free-market system, or, if you will, the power of free capital, and that does not necessarily equals to freedom. Present Russia is capitalistic as heck, they have low flat tax and money is the power there. Yet the citizens are oppressed and the state of civil rights in Russia is poor. Capitalism exist in many South American and Asian counties and basically in Africa too, yet people are massively oppressed there - no real freedom can be observed there.
Posted by cheyennebodie 3 years ago
cheyennebodie
There is only one version. Capitalism is the free movement of capital between two people.Communism is the movement of capital by force by the state.Freedom dictates that money should be decided by the one who earned it for its use.Socialism is fueled by coveteousness. Coveting another mans wealth and getting government to steal it from him and giving it to you to pay your bills which you have accumulated.We are now a socialist nation. 50% of the people are dishonorable by receiving stolen property from the state.
. Just because it is legal doesn't mean it is moral.
Posted by Pfalcon1318 3 years ago
Pfalcon1318
What version of capitalism are you talking about?

What version of communism are you talking about?

There are versions of communism that are claimed to provide more freedom that capitalism. You haven't defined the terms at all.
Posted by Osiris_Rosenthorne 3 years ago
Osiris_Rosenthorne
For some reason, I couldn't help but think of IS militants having their passports taken by the crown when I saw this. Rather odd, I know.
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