catholic church official teaching is that noncatholics and unbaptized infants go to hell
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limbo, just some examples:
Council of Florence Session 11 (Bull Cantate Domino): "With regard to children, since the danger of death is often present and the only remedy available to them is the sacrament of baptism by which they are snatched away from the dominion of the devil and adopted as children of God, it admonishes that sacred baptism is not to be deferred for forty or eighty days or any other period of time..."
Council of Florence Session 6 "..the souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go down straightaway to hell to be punished, but with unequal pains."
No salvation for noncatholics:
you can find plenty of rigorist authoritative quotes here:
the only authoritative type statements that i see that they can be saved are vatican ii. it could be argued that they said they didnt intend to define anything, and it's always possible to hope that noncahtolics would somehow repent or 'be shown an angel before death' or something as is traditionally the only way of getting saved. so when they say noncatholics 'may' be saved, it is a political statement loaded with far out possibilities while making it look like they actually have a shot. it's a political statement.
I read Pro's argument and came to conclusion that she never read Holy Bible. Unbaptized infants and Noncatholics.
Firstly, unbaptized infants will not go to hell, for several reasons. The rational reason, if we assume God is just and merciful, then Him sending little children who have done nothing, would be unjust and unmerciful. Children not being baptized is not their fault, but it is their parents' fault. Therefore they cannot be judged for their parents actions, which they have no aware, no knowledge of, and no participation with. Second evidence is scriptural. "At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me." - Mat18:3. The child here is not a catholic, and not a Christian, and he (or may be she) was not baptized. And "whoever takes the lowly position of this child" means position of child is without any deeds (good or bad), because children has no awareness of good or bad, until they grew in certain knowledge.
The claim, Noncatholics will not go to heaven is another nonsense, because Jesus never talked about Catholics, and never said it is a ticket for paradise. He told a parables, explaining how to get to paradise, and non of them say anything about catholic dogma. If Pro claims otherwise, she have to show it from the Bible.
And thirdly, even before claiming such dogma, one have to prove the main claims of catholic dogma are true, rationally and logically. If they cannot be proved then whatever the secondary claim is just waste of time. If what you say about God is just nonsense, then there is no point to talk about secondary issues, like who will go to hell, and who will not.
And it is God's business, whom He is letting to paradise and whom He is sending to hell. You cannot put an obligation on God.
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