cause and effect is logic
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logical=dont eat poisonous things to stay healthy
logical=bear fur comes from a bear
I think the logic you wanted was as follows:
In general, imbibing poisons can cause you to become unhealthy.
Becoming unhealthy is not desirable.
You should avoid that which is not desirable.
Therefore you should avoid imbibing poisons.
Bear fur is not, itself, a bear much like my pubic hair is not, itself, a human.
Cause and effect is not equivalent to logic. Inductive logic can derive information about causality, but it is not the case that this means that cause and effect is equivalent with logic. How, for example, can cause and effect be used to derive the law of noncontradiction or the law of identity?
is battery acid healthy?
is poison healthy?
if you have a bear fur you have a dead bear, and if you have a bear fur i know it comes from a bear
the law of contradiction proves itself.. how could everything not be everything, or, why do we have different words if they all mean black?
cause and effect is not relevant to detect or define the law of non contradiction, but logic is absolute as well
It might be illogical to feed the alien battery acid. For example, we live by eating food, but if you are bleeding out from a gunshot wound, it would be illogical for a doctor to feed you a sandwich at that moment.
Again, battery acid and poison are not healthy or unhealthy in that they are not identical with those categories. Drinking poison can cause you to be unhealthy. Healthy is a descriptor of the health status of a person. When we call things like salads healthy, we are playing fast and loose with language. Salads are foods that, when part of a diet, can assist one in becoming healthy, but the salad itself is not healthy.
Obtaining bear fur does not require the death of the bear. We can remove fur without killing an animal. If by fur you mean the fur plus the skin, we can still remove some of it without killing the animal.
i have demonstrated it.. any true cause and effect relation is sufficient to define logic
so because it would be unhealthy to eat the sandwich when i am wounded becasue whatever, is it then logical to do it? why or why not
you dont necessarily get poisoned from drinking poison, but in that case it might not be poisonos, so poison is also in contrast with quantity
are apples poisonous?
food is healthy.. lol, how do you stay healthy without food, salat is food
the bear fur is still a dead bear even thou the bear is alive
As to your examples, I refuted every example you offered and you have yet to offer any counter to my refutations. I will not offer anything else until you can offer a coherent refutation of my refutation of the incorrect points you made such as "poison=unhealthy".
Until you post something worth responding to, I will be posting pass for further rounds because I already defeated everything you have posted and you keep reposting it in slightly different forms.
i am saying cause and effect is logic
is it illogical that a stone is a stone?
absolutes are absolutes, logic is absolute, math is absolute, existence is absolute
any true cause and effect relation is sufficient to define logic.. cause and effect is cause and effect
you have not refuted anything.. in any way
is poison healthy?
Every example pro offered was demonstrated to be fallacious and pro never offered any counter for the demonstrations of pro's fallacies.
Pro has done nothing to defend pro's position let alone win a debate.
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