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cjjavier3
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Spiral
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69 Points

chicken c0mes first before egg

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Started: 4/12/2008 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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cjjavier3

Pro

iN thE bibLe goD sAid "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind" it meAns hE maDe LiVing crETUrES (ANIMALS) not EGGS ...
Spiral

Con

Evolutionary theory states the egg comes before the chicken; there is evidence for evolutionary theory, there is not for biblical claims of creation. Therefore it is highly more probable the egg was first.
Debate Round No. 1
cjjavier3

Pro

yoUr'e wRoNG ! ., God maDe tHE aNimALs .. God did not say i will make eggs ., ! iT is CLearly said that goD maDE animaLS first . aNd thEn thE animaLS fertiLizE so theY comE uP with An eGG ..(some)
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Spiral

Con

Jurassic Non-Chicken> Egg > Triassic Non-Chicken> Egg> <> Great Grandmother of Chicken> Egg> Grandmother of Chicken> Egg> Mother of Chicken> EGG � FIRST CHICKEN � Egg � Another Chicken> and so on.

Darwinian Theory states that all animals were preceded by, and evolved from, ancestors that were not exactly like them. With each consecutive evolutionary change, there is inevitably a creature that lacked the full characteristics of that which later evolved. In birds, including chickens, the eggs of the pre-evolved creature contained the newly evolved living animal. Specifically, a pre-chicken laid an egg that contained the newly evolved chicken; the egg that contained the newly evolved chicken preceded its hatching i.e., prior to the arrival of the first zygotic mix of male and female pre-chicken DNA that combined or mutated to form today's chicken, there were only non-chickens. The DNA mutations occurred at the cellular level in the zygote developing inside the egg. Therefore, the egg clearly preceded the chicken.

Theological issues aside, even if a chicken was instantly created at some distant period, this does not demand the elimination of the process of evolution. Further, Pope John Paul II issued a papal letter (encyclical) to the Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church acknowledging the possibility that God used evolution as a part of the creation process.
Debate Round No. 2
cjjavier3

Pro

s0 wHat y0u mEnT wAs .. theoriEs AnD popE JoHn ,, iS more true .thaN God? .yOu waNt t0 saY thAt God iS wRoNg tO HiS oWn cReAtioN .. h0w cAn A Egg bE maDe WHen there is no chicken ?? because God .. the creator of everything said hE wiLL maKe animaLs .. g0d didnT reALLy sAid thAt hE wiLL mAke eggs.. thE bibLe iS the first of aLL first , iT staTes the creatoin of God .. cAn yoU reAd iT ?? s0 yoU caN meSs uP wiTh God witH yoUr theory2x ..it's eveN wriTen aT tHE first page of the bibLe .. REad bibLE .. spiral !
Spiral

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Why the creation story of the Bible should not be taken literally:

Creation of Day and Night: Day 1
Creation of Heaven: Day 2
Creation of the Earth, the Seas, and the Plants: Day 3
Creation of the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars: Day 4
Creation of Fishes and Birds: Day 5
Creation of land animals: Day 6
No Further Emergence of Life Forms on Earth: Day 7

According to Genesis, God created the Sun on day four. But without a sun, there are no actual days. Without a sun there were no morning/evening changes in the time of day. Likewise, without natural sunlight, plants could not have grown and survived. Plants however, were created before the Sun. If the length of time is billions of years per day (as some Christians claim), then it is impossible that plants could survive before the Sun was created.

We know, and would assume, that the writers of Genesis did not know that the Earth revolves around the sun, or that days and nights are effects of the Earth's rotation, that light is electromagnetic radiation, and that darkness is merely the absence of light. Whoever wrote the text of Genesis were clearly fallible, pre-scientific Human beings. If God had inspired these texts, although it could not have inspired a technical account because the words did not yet exist, it surely would have dictated or inspired text that wasn't out and out erroneous.

So with that, I urge you to vote on behalf of the innocuous egg.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by mohammeddurkajihad 8 years ago
mohammeddurkajihad
inStAFaIL!

jjavier3: ePic pHaLE
Posted by Spiral 8 years ago
Spiral
ghegeman:
I have a heavy case load and exams are upon me, i won't have time to debate for a couple weeks. Thanks for the challenge anyway.
Posted by ghegeman 8 years ago
ghegeman
cjjavier3, maybe you should try typing correctly so you dont look like a fool. also, you really need to use evidence in following debates

just because i say the IPU was the one who stamped out creation with her perfect hooves doesn't mean i win the debate.
Posted by ghegeman 8 years ago
ghegeman
blowout

wow

blowout

one small problem though,if i may, the triassic period came before the jurassic period
Posted by HellKat 8 years ago
HellKat
Haha thanks, me too considering I got confused about the positions and ended up being on the opposite side of my oppinion, but I'm sure I can find something.
Posted by Spiral 8 years ago
Spiral
Not a problem, HellKat. Hope your first debate goes well.
Posted by HellKat 8 years ago
HellKat
I like how you did that Spiral, the timeline of the chicken, that was very smart, I always just say primordial ooze came first haha, but now I actually understand it, thanks.
Posted by Spiral 8 years ago
Spiral
The precursor to the chicken, read the second round.
Posted by XsamacadoX 8 years ago
XsamacadoX
the chicken came first by both creationism and evolution. what would lay the egg?
Posted by Crust89 8 years ago
Crust89
So...which came first, the egg or the Jurassic Non-Chicken?
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