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christians should just reject their religion's history of stoning

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Started: 7/31/2013 Category: Religion
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below is a muslim who tries to argue that Christians should not tear down their religion, due to things like stoning, because that stuff is so based in Christianity. he points out how Christians usually try to get around the stoning issue, but notes that even if it doesn't apply to them, it did at one day if you take the religion's teachings to the core, so it can't be said to be inherently barbaric or wrong. he says they have an issue with stoning itself, if they were honest with themselves.
my guess is that that muslim, given his emotional investment, decided to continue thinking stoning is okay. his emotional response shows he probably has an issue with it too, but decides to compare notes and rationalize his beliefs, despite how obviously barbaric they are.

it seems ironic he took the route of justifying his complicitness with stoning in his culture. he was able to do this by comparing himself to chrisnitanity. he as a follow up asks for where stoning was every over turned explicitly, but doesn't note that Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". to me it seems that God never was for stoning. if the bible says that he was, as it does, and as he points out, then the bible is wrong. i'd argue it was jesus himself who said it was wrong, and who essentially points out the bible is wrong too.
one could try to argue as colassians says, that the requirements of the law have been done away with having "nailed them to the cross". and from this, that things like stoning are no longer required. i'd argue though, that from what Jesus said, and what we can gather about a loving God, stoning is wrong. otherwise a Christian would be forced to admit that stoning was one time okay, the will of God.
that's just ridiculous.

Stoning in the Bible

Sami Zaatari

One can often find Christians attacking Islam due to the issue of stoning, they claim that this proves that Islamic law is barbaric, and is backward! For instance Christian apologist David Wood has released a new blog thread on his site concerning a stoning that took place in Somalia:

David Wood posts the story as a bad thing; and it obviously works since the comments from his Christian fans show that they obviously disliked what happened, and this can be seen from many other Christian apologists and their supporters.

All of this brings me to the main point, what in the world are these Christians talking about? Have Christians failed to read their Bible? If one were to read the Bible, then one would know that the stoning that took place in Somalia is 100% Biblical!! So it makes you wonder, are these Christians hypocrites? Or are they simply ignorant?

In fact, the Bible doesn't just call for stoning on adultery, but calls for stoning on a whole range of issues! Here are the Biblical passages on stoning:

anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death. (Leviticus 24:16)

If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death?the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)

If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky, and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5)

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:27)

While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses. (Numbers 15:32-36)

But seat two scoundrels opposite him and have them testify that he has cursed both God and the king. Then take him out and stone him to death." (1 Kings 21:10)

Now Christians may give us the same usual response, that the verses on stoning come from the Jewish Bible, so it doesn't apply for them. Okay, that's fair enough, but the question remains, why do you attack Islam for supposedly being barbaric because it calls for stoning? Stoning laws may not apply to modern day Christians, but they're still in the Bible, and stoning laws from the Bible did apply in one point in history! So if stoning laws are barbaric and backwards, then the same should apply to the Bible, the Bible was backward and barbaric for establishing stoning laws in one point in history!

Furthermore Christians have a problem with the issue of stoning, the reason they oppose it is not because stoning doesn't apply to them anymore, and rather Christians have a major issue with the stoning itself. They see it as savagery, barbarism, and something terrible. So if Christians want to be consistent, then they should also condemn their Bible for having stoning laws, because I repeat, Christians have a problem with the stoning itself, their problem isn't because stoning laws was for the Jews only! If Christians are honest enough they will even admit it, that they're main problem is with the stoning itself, not that the time of stoning is no more.

So Christians just prove their double standards, they will savagely attack stoning in Islam, calling it barbaric, brutal, and backwardness. Yet they will completely ignore it when it's in their own Bible, and they will continue to praise their God for being so holy and lovely!


Thank you for putting up this debate, and I will go against it using the following evidence.

In your opening statement, you seem to be saying the following three things.

1. Stoning is barbaric
2. Jesus and God is loving so...
3. Stoning (and the Bible) is wrong

I will take each of these as they have been given.

1. Stoning is barbaric
As both you and the Muslim you have posted has said, stoning is barbaric and savage act. For those who don't know, stoning is the act of throwing stones at a criminal until death. I say that this is not right. The Muslim and you have not taken into account the changing times. Even the Muslim wrote ( me paraphrasing) if stoning in the old times is okay, why is it not today. The point is that stoning may have been the most reasonable execution method in those days. The only other option was either to banish and let them die a slow miserable death, or bladed death. However, blades were not made for the chopping of heads back than, so you could live through three or more chops, feeling them all. At least stoning you could be knocked out and quickly killed.

2. Jesus and God is loving
This statement is very true, but misleading. God is loving, but he is also a right one. God can not allow sin, so there much be punishment for such. He wasn't going to allow a sinful person to continue to live in his people, sine the Bible gives us several examples of one bad person making a huge bad family. Jesus, on the other hand, is a different story.

3. Stoning ( and the Bible) is wrong
Jesus brought into this world a new law. Many people is confused by what this law implies, but the main thing is that moral laws are still in place, but social laws are not. That's why we don't have the diet or clothing laws any more, but murder and stealing is still a sin. This also brought about the idea that we as a people have no right to judge someone on their sins, that's God's job.

So in closing: Stoning WAS right. In the old times, since sin would escalate to effect the whole group. Stoning was also the most humane way to kill someone back then. Stoning ISN'T right now since Jesus brought a new law that got rid of the old ways.
Debate Round No. 1


con is mostly just arguing from his own reasoning that stonging was God ordained. he argued that it was a dirty job, but God thought it was right. where's the biblical support? he just reasons himself into those positions, one could easily reason otherwise, and add to it 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' and then we conclude it was wrong.
for example, he says God cannot allow sin, and he says it was a reasonable executino method or not the worst. problem, is that we shouldnt think God would kill everyone for everything under the sun. that's just not loving. you can argue it is, but it's based on yoru own sordid understanding if so. con did show how it was no longer our place to stone given the new law but how it was once our place. it may not be but how was it before?


Thank you for your post.

1. I would like to say that several times in the Bible it talks about stoning being right. You have even posted some in your first comment. I would also like to state the several times in the Old Testament does it speak of God killing sinners to prevent their sins from going on. How can you ask for "Biblical Proof" if it says it very clearly in the Bible.

2. As I have stated, Jesus coming brought about a new law. The old law was in place to show individuals and the nation how to STAY pure. With the death of Jesus, we ARE pure, and the law is meant to show you how to spread the word. That's why social laws, which was meant to keep us pure, is gone but the moral laws, the ones saying what's right and wrong, is still in existence.

3. So just to put this into easier terms ( as I have wrote it difficult) I have examples.

A. Old Testament- someone commits the sin of murder. They are stoned because 1. Stoning is the best way to kill and 2. His sins can affect the whole nation as sin tends to be contagious. So to keep themselves pure, they stone him.

B. New Testament- someone commits the sin of adultery. They are not stoned because 1. The new law allows them a way out of sin permantly and 2. We no longer have to worry about trying to be pure, as we already are pure. His sins will only affect sinners.
Debate Round No. 2


the bible says Jesus was against stoning, and it also says to stone people. yes it does. all i'm saying is we should put more authority on what Jesus said.

moral v other laws. i concede you have a plausible argument for why some rules are no longer in effect and some are. problem, goes back to Jesus saying stoning is wrong, essentially, and the general notion that stoning is barbaric to begin with anyway, which in itself should be presumed something to be rejected by christians, just because of the nature of it and circumstances that it was done in.

as to your examples, i repeat what i said above in this post. id always point out that the OT had stoning for far more than just murder, but more trivial sins too, like dishonoring one's parents, etc.


Thank you to my opponent for such a great debate. I hope to do again some day. However, on my closing statements I will say this.

1. Whether we should put more emphasis on Jesus or the Bible is a impossible question since they are both right. Jesus never says that the Old Testament is wrong, just that things are different. Stoning could have been the best thing in old times, but Jesus changed that.

2. You state that stoning was also done for more trivial things, so I will give you this. James 2:10 says that if you keep the whole law, but stumble in one point, you are guilty of the whole law. There is no such thing as a trivial sin. They can all ruin the nation. Look at David and Bathsheba. David's first sin was not going to war like he should have, and that escalated to adultery and murder.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by gordonjames 5 years ago
. . . Continued

7. A medium or a spiritist (necromancy) should be put to death by stoning [Lev 20:27]

8. Cursing (different from foul language) [Lev 24:14]; blasphemy [Lev 24:16]; striking a parent (as an adult); false prophecy; sabbath breaking ; kidnapping and false witness to a capitol crime were all capitol offenses that might have stoning for a penalty.

My question to both sides include:
1. Are you opposed to capitol punishment in general?
2. Are you opposed to stoning as a method? (would you prefer shooting, lethal injection or perhaps a drone strike?)
3. Do you believe prison is a better solution (and are you willing to pay for it)?
Posted by gordonjames 5 years ago
I think both sides are missing the difference between private actions and public policy.
The idea of stoning is that it is not a private act where one person takes the law into their own hands.
Another aspect of stoning is that it is participatory.
It does not hide death from the people like some assassination by secret police.
By its very nature it is public.

If you believe capitol punishment has a place in society (remember there were no prisons) then stoning was simply a method of execution that kept capitol punishment in the hands of the people rather than the political elite.

The Old Testament teaching about stoning shows that:

1. It was practiced by the Egyptians before the Exodus - [Ex 8:26]
This is the example of social law that the Hebrews already understood.

2. During the exodus, Moses was concerned that the people might stone him. [Ex 17:4]

3. God told the people not to approach the mountain before he "came down" [Ex 19:11-12]
People were told not to go near, and to keep their livestock away.
Any man or beast that broke this rule was to be put to death by stoning or "shot through" [Ex 19:13]

4. If an ox kills a man it is to be stoned to death [Ex 21:28]
If it was previously in the habit of attacking and the owner had been warned,
the ox should be stoned to death, and the owner killed [Ex 21:29]
An ox who attacks a male or female slave should also be stoned to death [Ex 21:32]

5. The first command of stoning as a punishment for people is in Leviticus 20:2
- Stoning was commanded as the punishment for burning your child to death (offering to Molech).
""Any man from the sons of Israel or from the aliens sojourning in Israel who gives any of his offspring to Molech, shall surely be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones."

6. There are other capitol crimes listed in Lev 20.
The method of execution is unspecified, but could include stoning.

. . . to be continued
Posted by TheUnapologeticTruth 5 years ago
both of you are ignorant and arguing something you know nothing about.. Stoning is NOT a Christian teaching. Stoning was not advocated for by Jesus. Jesus had issues with the Old Testament and brought forth a new way of thinking. Quite quoting the O.T. that's more akin to the Torah and Judaism not Christianity.
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