confederate flags are racist
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here we have the designer of the flag saying it was an emblem for the cause of the superior race. sounds pretty racist to me. here is what Thompson, the designer of the confederate flag thought: "As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of thee white man over the inferior or colored race... As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race... Another merit in the new flag is, that it bears no resemblance to the now infamous banner of the Yankee vandals"
when talking about the civil war people often go back and forth between whether it was about slavery, or about states' rights. the reality, is that it was about about both, and some choose to emphasize one or the other aspect of it. that's how some can try to weasel out of saying it's racist. (and to be sure, it's grown to generally mean rebel, such as with dukes of hazard) but the war was only there, cause the north drew a line in the sand about what was acceptable despite states' rights, and they said slavery wasn't, and the south drew a line in the sand and said it was per states' rights. slavery was an impetus. that means the whole flag is tainted. there might be a good way to symbolize states' rights and freedom, but hte confederate flag isn't it.
there might be a states' rights issue as a bigger principle to some, but it still remains that the flag wouldn't exist if it wasn't for slavery, it represents a racist nation, and the designer of the flag said it was an emblem for the superior race.
Here is a quick history lesson.
Robert E. Lee is undoubtedly one of the most famous Confederate leaders. However, he was never for slavery. He was deeply patriotic. He disliked the idea of slavery, but he loved Virginia, his home state, very much. That is why he stayed to defend it.
This whole idea of removing the Confederate flag has just come out because of the South Carolina shootings. That flag has been hanging outside of the statehouse for decades, and no one batted an eye.
We associate the flag with the shooter, and because he was racist, we associated racism to the flag as well. That is not the case.
The South split from the Union over a state's right issue. They did not split over slavery. They split because Abraham Lincoln was elected, and they did not want Lincoln as President. When Lincoln declared war on the South, he never had the idea of banning slavery, he just wanted to preserve the Union. He wanted a unified America.
I believe it should be removed, but for a different reason. That flag stands for a dis-unified America, which I could never bear the sight of. It does not stand for racism, or for slavery. It stands for states rights.
The Confederate States of America had their own flag, and I shall post the link here.
This flag stands for the men that died in battle. It does not stand for racism or white privilege. The maker of the flag was racist, but that does not mean that it represents racism.
you mention that lincoln wasn't necessarily intent to get rid of slavery but he wanted to preserve the union. you didn't say what the war was started for, though. it was started because of slavery.... he just decided it was better to preserve the union. but we see that because he had the upperhand anyway, they just got rid of slavery. do you have any other reason for why they didn't want lincoln as president so much that they'd withdraw?
The war began because states left the union since they were unhappy with the current election.
When the election ended, the South knew that Lincoln would not have been for states' rights, so they left. When Lincoln declared war, he didn't draft the Emancipation Proclamation until a few years later. He only wrote it because he knew that he would have won the war and would have been able to subjugate the South if they resisted the ban of slavery.
The flag represents soldiers. Just soldiers. It does not represent racism. We have the U.S. flag, and then we have a flag for the Marine Corps, Army Rangers, Navy, Air Force, etc.
The flag represented the army of Virginia, nothing more, nothing less.
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct goes to Con because of the fact that the second round of Pro's argument was "i started the debate with arguments flaring, so should have you," and because I have no idea what Con even said in Round 3. Spelling and grammar definitely, absolutely goes to Con. I'm not sure Pro went a single sentence without at least one grammatical or spelling mistake. Con made more convincing arguments. First off, Pro's second argument wasn't an argument, and his third one wasn't even made coherently, so he really only had one argument. Plus, this single argument was made off of the incorrect thing. Pro seemed to be arguing for the Confederate Battle Flag, but used evidence regarding the actual flag of the CSA, which makes no sense. Sources go to Con because he actually posted his sources, as opposed to Pro.
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