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confederate flags represent racism

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Started: 7/10/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

Pro

there might be a states' rights issue as a bigger principle to some, but it still remains that the flag wouldn't exist if it wasn't for slavery, it represents a racist nation, and the designer of the flag said it was an emblem for the superior race.

here we have the designer of the flag saying it was an emblem for the cause of the superior race. sounds pretty racist to me. here is what Thompson, the designer of the confederate flag thought: "As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of thee white man over the inferior or colored race... As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race... Another merit in the new flag is, that it bears no resemblance to the now infamous banner of the Yankee vandals"

when talking about the civil war people often go back and forth between whether it was about slavery, or about states' rights. the reality, is that it was about about both, and some choose to emphasize one or the other aspect of it. that's how some can try to weasel out of saying it's racist. (and to be sure, it's grown to generally mean rebel, such as with dukes of hazard) but the war was only there, cause the north drew a line in the sand about what was acceptable despite states' rights, and they said slavery wasn't, and the south drew a line in the sand and said it was per states' rights. slavery was an impetus. that means the whole flag is tainted. there might be a good way to symbolize states' rights and freedom, but hte confederate flag isn't it.

there might be a states' rights issue as a bigger principle to some, but it still remains that the flag wouldn't exist if it wasn't for slavery, it represents a racist nation, and the designer of the flag said it was an emblem for the superior race.

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the south seceded most immediately because the North had such overwhemling republican victories in congress. why did the south care?

from wikipedia...
""They were said by the Southern press to represent the antislavery portion of the North, "a party founded on the single sentiment"of hatred of African slavery", now to be the controlling power in national affairs. The "Black Republican party" could overwhelm conservative Yankee persuasion. Said the New Orleans Delta, "It is in fact, essentially, a revolutionary party" to overthrow slavery.[19]

By 1860, sectional disagreements between North and South revolved primarily around the maintenance or expansion of slavery. Historian Drew Gilpin Faust observed that "leaders of the secession movement across the South cited slavery as the most compelling reason for southern independence."[20]""
jacobstokes

Con

Well that maybe true but in fact the union was just as racist. You see the south needed slaves as they worked farms and hot conditions. The north in fact were much more industrial but stilled payed workers low wages. That's effectively slavery. The Confederacy had the rights to enslave due to state rights as did the north however the North's states were known as free states where slaves could be free. The southerners had slaves that escaped to the north and wanted the fugitive slave rights to be passed. Even though the north were against slavery they still had negative views to black people and really only fought the war for pride more than helping the slaves as they cared more about stealing goods of the confederacy. Due to the fact the southerner's had many of America's best generals they mustered a powerful army and thus when fighting got tough for the north they decided at the time to resort to desperate measures: a black regiment. They thought it was stupid to use blacks as soldiers even going as far as saying they could be trained as soldiers because of their skin colour. The blacks had something to fight for however: their freedom. If the north lost they would be forced into slavery again not that the north really cared so much. So it was pure ecstasy when the north won as this meant the backs no longer could be enslaved after the thirteenth amendment was passed in 1865. To this day only one state still had a confederate flag upon their state flag up until the Charleston shooting recently after which it was took down.
The confederate flag represents racism as much as the north.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

"The confederate flag represents racism as much as the north."

so con acknowledges the resollution and effectively forfeits. all he does is go on to say the north was racist too.
jacobstokes

Con

No what I'm saying is you claim the confederate flag represents racism during and after the civil war well equally does the north. I don't understand how that takes it to a forfeit for myself.
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

perhaps i inferred too much from con's statement, but his whole argument is hard to follow. he gives some historical anecdotes but doesn't really argue that the flag does or doesn't represent racism, but he does say things like "the north doesn't care if it wins to stop slaverY". he just seems to be stuck on the point that the north and south are equally racist. i say the whole war was primarily about racism, and there's plenty more evidence to suggest the flag represents racism.
jacobstokes

Con

I in fact do argue why the flag represents racism. They had state rights to enslave people as did the north. The flags were more about pride, and that they wanted to protect the culture of the south which was slavery. England was involved in the slave trade does this mean they represent slavery even now? Obviously not. Slavery no longer happens in America (legally anyway) so therefore it does not represent slavery.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by mentalist 1 year ago
mentalist
The flag was put back up during segregation in the U.S. (not the Confederacy) as a response to integration.
Posted by lannan13 1 year ago
lannan13
I wish to debate this. I can accept next Tuesday.
Posted by PatriotPerson 1 year ago
PatriotPerson
And, you copied and pasted again...great...
Posted by PatriotPerson 1 year ago
PatriotPerson
Why do you keep debating this topic?
Posted by Preston 1 year ago
Preston
someone accept and say it represents the confederate, and while the confederacy might have been racist it doesnt mean their flag represented racism.
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