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staceyt
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dilainya
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courts have the responsibility to create racially balanced schools

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Started: 5/21/2013 Category: Education
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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staceyt

Pro

Assertion #1: In 1974, court ordered busing was the only strategy that could have desegregated
Evidence: Blacks and whites didn"t want to mix, so they needed a higher power to do so.
Evidence:Blacks needed a better quality education.
Evidence:Neighborhoods were segregated and most kids went to neighborhood schools.

Assertion #2:To create a desegregated school system, a judge should be able to tell parents where their children must attend school.
Evidence:Kids have to choose a school in their "zone" which might not be in their neighborhood (24 schools to choose from).
Evidence:There aren"t enough larger good quality schools in every neighborhood.
Evidence:The new plan could re-segregate based on neighborhood

Assertion #3: Courts have power to reduce the effects of racial discrimination
Evidence:Court created equality in Boston schools so the judge gave back control to Boston.
Evidence:No one but the judge was able to "desegregate" Boston schools
Evidence: People needed time to get used to the court orders, but it worked eventually.
dilainya

Con

Negative assertion # 1: In 1974, court ordered busing was the only strategy that could have desegrates Boston"s schools.

Evidence: There wasn"t enough time for the community to work out a solution.
Evidence: Even black parents were afraid of the violence of desegregation.
Evidence: There was no law saying that kids couldn"t go to school outside the neighborhood.

Negative assertion #2: Court-ordered desegregation plans do more harm than good.

Evidence: The white people got mad about the desegregation decision, which the court had made.
Evidence: The white"s people started to provoke the violence by throwing rocks.
Evidence: The white people stand outside, waiting to hurt the black students.

Negative assertion #3: Race should be used as a basis for school assignment.

Evidence: Different time, people shouldn"t need a law telling them what school their children has to go.
Evidence: Till this day students drop out even with the law or without it.
Evidence: Parent"s want their kids to go to school near home because it is faster and safer.
Debate Round No. 1
staceyt

Pro

Questions for negative:
Question #1: If school is such an important topic, why couldn't time be made to work out a solution for desegregation?
Question #2: If there wasn't a law that would desegregate the people then how would racism and desegregation be stopped?
Question #3: if there wasn't a law that stopped kids from going to school outside their neighborhood then why was it such a big deal?
dilainya

Con

Question #1 Why force someone to do something they don"t want to do? Isn"t that taking away their rights?

Question #2 Why make them choose a school they don"t want to go? Wouldn"t that be putting them in more danger since they are not closer to home?

Question #3 You say that people just need to get used to the courts orders and that it work eventually but how come 30 percents of white ended up leaving?
Debate Round No. 2
staceyt

Pro

Reply to question#1:It isn"t taking away their rights because their being forced to follow the constitution, the constitution states that everyone deserves equal rights and it wouldn"t be equal if the whites were receiving a better education and being treated better than blacks therefore if they don"t follow the court"s decision to integrate students then they would be violating other people"s rights.
Reply to question#2:You actually get the option to choose 24 schools if you wouldn"t want a school then you shouldn"t list it, and it is still safe because although they aren"t as close they still are close it"s not like they"re going to a school in another state plus transportation was being provided therefore they were being supervised at all times so if something was to happen it would happen regardless.
Reply to question#3: Although 30 percent of the white population left a greater part of the population ended up staying which is well over 50 which is 70 percent and those 70 percent had to accustom themselves to the situation otherwise do what the others did and leave because that was the only way to end the discrimination.
dilainya

Con

I don't have time for this right now
Debate Round No. 3
staceyt

Pro

im waiting :)..
dilainya

Con

DILAINY ANSWER TO QUESTIONS-
Answer #1 The school committee actually had about 10 years to work out a solution it just wasn"t enough to get people to accept it.
Answer #2 Desegregation could have been stop by desegregating the neighborhood instead of the school it would have cause less problems because, it would have take longer and give people the time to adjust.
Answer #3 The reason why it was such a big deal is because the parents didn"t want their kids to go far away from home. They believe they were putting their children in more danger.

STACEY 4th Round
- People didn't accept the the busing system and the integration of schools and they still ended up doing it.
- People cant be forced to live in certain places that would be communism school is something the government could have control over
- They were not being in danger because they were being supervised and the problems would have happened regardless whether in school or in theighberhoods atleast in school it was easier to control rather then neighberhoods.

DILIANT 4th ROUND
Assertion #1: In 1974, court ordered busing was the only strategy that could have desegregated

Evidence: Blacks and whites didn"t want to mix, so they needed a higher power to do so.

(If people don"t want to be mix why should we force them to do something they don"t want too.)

Evidence:Blacks needed a better quality education.

(Mixing them with whites will not get them better quality in education because they will have to face race problems and won"t be able to get that education)

Evidence:Neighborhoods were segregated and most kids went to neighborhood schools.

(This was safest way for anyone to go to school because they are close to home)

Assertion #2:To create a desegregated school system, a judge should be able to tell parents where their children must attend school.

Evidence:Kids have to choose a school in their "zone" which might not be in their neighborhood (24 schools to choose from).

(This will cause students to have to take bus and with the racism happening in Boston it will be harder for black students to go to school)

Evidence:There aren"t enough larger good quality schools in every neighborhood.

(The fact that there isn"t good quality school is what we should try to fix and not move the students around.)

Evidence:The new plan could re-segregate based on neighborhood

Assertion #3: Courts have power to reduce the effects of racial discrimination

Evidence:Court created equality in Boston schools so the judge gave back control to Boston.

(The equality the judge gave won"t take away the suffering the black students went through)

Evidence:No one but the judge was able to "desegregate" Boston schools

(The judge didn"t let the school committee time to be able to do the same in a safer way)

Evidence: People needed time to get used to the court orders, but it worked eventually.

(30% of whites ended up leaving so it didn"t work out so well)
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by jgeller 3 years ago
jgeller
Stacey and Dilainy
What a well-matched debate; I"m glad you had the chance to do this even though you are in separate classes. It is great to see the best against the best. The debate is truly tied; even though I tend to agree more with one side, each of you made points I can agree with. You used many different things we"ve learned in class, not just on this topic, to support your points.
You are two students who will be sorely missed, for a long time. I wish I could be a fly on the wall in your college classes to see how well I know you will do.
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