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codiz
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LakevilleNorthJT
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derron Williams is the most underated player in the NBA.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/4/2008 Category: Sports
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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codiz

Pro

this kid averaged almost 20 points the entire season. he out dueled chris paul in almost every meeting this season. And hes only 23 years old. this was only his 3rd year as a member of the NBA. He also won the "skill s competition" during the all star week. How did he not make it to the All_Star team.
All these grreat accomplishments, and he was hardly ever talked abou this year!
LakevilleNorthJT

Con

MY FIRST CONTENTION IS THAT TO WIN THIS ROUND, MY OPPONENT NEEDS TO GIVE STATS OF EVERY PLAYER IN THE NBA. ONLY THEN IS IT POSSIBLE TO DETERMINE WHO IS TRULY UNDERATED.

MY SECOND CONTENTION IS THAT THERE IS NO PLAYER NAMED DERRON WILLIAMS IN THE NBA.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT "DERON WILLIAMS" WAS PICKED FOR THE USA OLYMPICS TEAM AND IS IN NO WAY UNDERRATED.
Debate Round No. 1
codiz

Pro

geez dont be so picky.

firat of all, why would i have to name every player's stats in the NBA?

second of all, if deron williams is not underated, why did he not make the 2008 all-star team?

"MY FIRST CONTENTION IS THAT TO WIN THIS ROUND, MY OPPONENT NEEDS TO GIVE STATS OF EVERY PLAYER IN THE NBA. ONLY THEN IS IT POSSIBLE TO DETERMINE WHO IS TRULY UNDERATED."

O.K. then. Name another player who you think is more underated than deron williams.
LakevilleNorthJT

Con

"geez dont be so picky."

I am saying what I need to in order to win this round.

"firat of all, why would i have to name every player's stats in the NBA?"

"ONLY THEN IS IT POSSIBLE TO DETERMINE WHO IS TRULY UNDERATED." I clearly gave you a reason.

"second of all, if deron williams is not underated, why did he not make the 2008 all-star team"

1. He gained popularity towards the end when he started playing better. This was after the game.

2. Just because he may be underrated does not mean he is the most underated.

3. Giving stats from every player will allow to set up a ratio in which we could average playing abitily verse popularity. UNTIL THIS, MY OPPONENT CAN IN NO WAY WIN THIS ROUND. HE MAY PROVEE THAT DERON WILLIAMS IS UNDERRATED BUT NOT THE MOST UNDERRATED.

"O.K. then. Name another player who you think is more underated than deron williams."

THIS IS YOUR BURDEN OF PROOF. YOU ARE AFFIRMING AND THUS NEED TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE.

MY FIRST CONTENTION IS THAT TO WIN THIS ROUND, MY OPPONENT NEEDS TO GIVE STATS OF EVERY PLAYER IN THE NBA. ONLY THEN IS IT POSSIBLE TO DETERMINE WHO IS TRULY UNDERATED.

MY SECOND CONTENTION IS THAT THERE IS NO PLAYER NAMED DERRON WILLIAMS IN THE NBA.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT "DERON WILLIAMS" WAS PICKED FOR THE USA OLYMPICS TEAM AND IS IN NO WAY UNDERRATED.

MY OPPONENT DOESN NOT MEET MY FIRST CONTENTION.

HE DOES NOT EVEN ADDRESS CONTENTION TWO OR THREE EITHER OF WHICH IS SUFFICIENT GROUNDS TO NEGATE THE RESOLUTION.

THUS YOU MUST,

VOTE CON
Debate Round No. 2
codiz

Pro

there are things done by players on the hardwood that dont show up on paper such as leadership,and hustle. thus, as my opponent suggests, we cant set up a ratio that shows who the most underrated player is.

My opponent said,"1. He (deron williams) gained popularity towards the end when he started playing better. This was after the(allstar) game."

that is strictly opinion.

my opponent states some false information and information that is strictly opinion.

thus,
VOTE PRO.

p.s.lakevillenorthjt, tell me with your own words why you think deron williams isnt the most underated player in the NBA.
LakevilleNorthJT

Con

"there are things done by players on the hardwood that dont show up on paper such as leadership,and hustle. thus, as my opponent suggests, we cant set up a ratio that shows who the most underrated player is."

My opponent just conceded that there is not a way to show who the most underrated player is. Thus I win this round.

"My opponent said,"1. He (deron williams) gained popularity towards the end when he started playing better. This was after the(allstar) game."

that is strictly opinion."

Pretty sure it's not.

"my opponent states some false information and information that is strictly opinion."

I laughed out loud at this. Literally. I mean come on seriously. I'm the one posting opinions?

VOTERS: There are two arguments that are literally cold-dropped and as I have stated before are sufficient grounds to negate.

MY FIRST CONTENTION IS THAT TO WIN THIS ROUND, MY OPPONENT NEEDS TO GIVE STATS OF EVERY PLAYER IN THE NBA. ONLY THEN IS IT POSSIBLE TO DETERMINE WHO IS TRULY UNDERATED.

MY SECOND CONTENTION IS THAT THERE IS NO PLAYER NAMED DERRON WILLIAMS IN THE NBA.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT "DERON WILLIAMS" WAS PICKED FOR THE USA OLYMPICS TEAM AND IS IN NO WAY UNDERRATED.

Off of these points alone,

VOTE CON
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Pluto2493 8 years ago
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Somebody vote on this debate:

http://www.debate.org...
Posted by LakevilleNorthJT 8 years ago
LakevilleNorthJT
What? I responded during my third round.
Posted by codiz 8 years ago
codiz
ya the "strictly opinion thing was pretty dumb of me to say but i said it.but as you always say lakevillenorthjt,member comments are outside the debate and dont mean a thing.
Posted by LakevilleNorthJT 8 years ago
LakevilleNorthJT
IDK, I used to do it for emphasis but I do it a lot more now.
Posted by PublicForumG-d 8 years ago
PublicForumG-d
North: Lol at the abusive burden. Why all caps in r1? I like your debates, but why are you writing like that?
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