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dairygirl4u2c
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The Contender
sara_ann_dee
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doctors who perform illegal abortions are essentially the same as serial killers

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sara_ann_dee
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/28/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

Pro

they both kill illegally on a regular basis. start round 1 with arguments.
sara_ann_dee

Con

If both the doctor and the woman reciving the abortion agree to it and it is consensual - then why would the doctor be considered a serial killer? The doctor did not kill the baby for a negative reason or just to kill - they do it for the patient and to help save a woman's life if she cannot survive with the baby. He is not forcing the baby to be killer - the women in question is agreeing to it. So why would that be considered serial killer material?
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

if a woman and hit man agree to kill her husband, that is taking the husband's consent out of the equation. likewise, the child's consent for a later term abortion where abortion would be illegal cannot be part of the equation.

also, 'saving a woman's life' cannot be one of the considerations in this sceanario, because that would be legal abortion, and we are talking about illegal abortions.
sara_ann_dee

Con

It does not matter if the abortion is legal or not. If the woman was going to give birth to an unhealthy or sickly baby that would not survive ans she could not fund a legal abortion - the doctor was doing a good deed to help the woman and help the child not suffer anyway. The child is not yet able to make decisions - so even though the woman does not have the child's consent - the women is doing what is best for her child and herself as well - to make sure that everyone will be okay in the end.
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

it's not always sick babies. sometimes the mother just doesnt want it. perhaps not all doctors who perform illegal abortions are the same as serial killers, but a lot of them are.
sara_ann_dee

Con

And there you just agreed with me - vote CON.
Debate Round No. 3
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by hldemi 1 year ago
hldemi
Also you need at least 3 kills to become serial killer with the murders taking place over more than a month and including a significant break (a "cooling off period") between them, usually due to abnormal psychological gratification.
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Reasons for voting decision: Such a weird debate. Since Abortion is defined as killing, and serial killing means killing more than once. any abortion doctor who has performed more than 1 abortion is by definition a serial killer, regardless of legality. Executioners are also serial killers by definition. If the abortions are all illegal, then he is also a serial murderer. There isn't actually a debate here. I would have had to vote for Pro, but then Pro conceded for some reason which is lost to me. Con wins by concession.
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Reasons for voting decision: Sorry ladies. That was a poor debate. Pro made a partial concession in the final round negating an absolute statement. Both arguments were unconvincing. I'm not convinced a dead child can be defined as "everyone being okay in the end." The terms of the debate could have been clearer. It's not clear that doctors who perform illegal abortions do so on a regular basis, and I'm not sure why illegal abortions are limited to Dr's. I'm unconvinced by either argument, so I'll be awarding Con conduct for not conceding. I whole-heartedly agree with Pro in principal.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con makes the argument that; both the patient and doctor agree to it and that the doctor is not killing the baby for any negative reasons, just to help the mother and save her life. Pro then says that the baby has no consent, and claims that saving a woman?s life would be a legal abortion and therefore irrelevant to the debate. Yet fails to give evidence on why it would be legal. Con then reiterates that an illegal abortion would be what?s best for the child and her. In the last round Pro concedes that not all doctors who perform illegal abortions are serial killers, but most of them are. Pro had to prove that all are and conceded that not all are, Con wins.