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cwyman
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johannes
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does a ring determan a quaterbacks legacy?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/20/2013 Category: Sports
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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cwyman

Pro

yes an elite quarterback needs a ring.
"To me, outside of Dan Marino, you can't even start the conversation of elite quarterbacks without looking at championships." says Brian Billick on NFL.com
bleacher report ranks, arguably the best quarterback ever, dan marino 7th because he didn't win a Super Bowl.
they also wrote "If he had been able to get over the hump and win a Super Bowl, he would be in the debate as a top-10 quarterback all time." about Y.A Hiddle.
theese are examples that super bowls are a big factor in one's career.
but in todays league the quarterback is the dominant position, in every recent super bowl the winning team has had a good passing attack led by a quarterback. and if you think the ravens didnt go in with a passing attack they had 3 passing touchdowns (no rushing) and joe flacco was MVP. who else didn't have a passing attack. the giants, patriots, steelers, colts, saints all only had a passing attack except for the 2000 ravens (which was 13 years ago)
johannes

Con

An elite quarterback doesn't need a ring. Dan Marino is arguably the best quarterback of all time, and he had 0 rings. He could've won a ring with any elite quarterback's team. Football is a team sport, with 22 men on the field at a time. If you have a bad team, it doesn't matter who your quarterback is, you're not going to win a super bowl. The only reason that these "elite" quarterbacks won Super Bowls are because of their teammates. The giants had a ridiculous pass rush, and great receivers. The Pats are stacked in every category. The Steelers won their Super Bowls because of defense and a ridiculous catch. Ben Roethlisberger didn't win either of those MVP's. In his first Super Bowl, he threw the same amount of TD's as his wide receiver! Also, why does what two NFL analysts say do anything for your argument? You personally think that Dan Marino is the best quarterback of all time. Lastly, the Ravens wouldn't have come close to the Super Bowl without Ray Lewis, who plays defense.
Debate Round No. 1
cwyman

Pro

cwyman forfeited this round.
johannes

Con

I would like to start off by saying that Y.A. Tittle should not be in this conversation. My opponent had a quote that said that Y.A. Tittle would be in the top 10 Qb of all time discussion if he had won a Super Bowl. WHAT!? That would mean that he is in the same category as Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Steve Young, John Elway, Troy Aikman, and many more quarterbacks 99% of America would say are better than him. Also, according to pro-footbal-reference.com, he played from 1948 to 1964, before there even were super bowls! Second of all, we are talking about ELITE quarterback's, not legendary quarterbacks. Well according to FanNation.com, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton, Warren Moon, and Dan Fouts all didn't win a Super Bowl. Are they bums? Of course not! They are extremely good quarterbacks, all having elite status. But there are more! Boomer Esiason didn't win, nor did Dave Kreig or Ken Anderson. All have been determined elite by anyone who has seen them play. Elite QBs don't need a ring. Thanks
Debate Round No. 2
cwyman

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johannes

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