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phoenixgoldfire
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LoJkL
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does the UK and US education systems need a full review and overhaul

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phoenixgoldfire
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/15/2015 Category: Education
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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phoenixgoldfire

Pro

my argument is that the education system need a complete overhaul, because it teaches us nearly nothing useful after year 8. (i'm not sure what that is in america but I wouldn't learn it at school) Everything becomes exam based rather than real world based. if you had to do a complex math sum you wouldn't sit for ages doing it on a piece of paper, you would get out your phone or a calculator and do it that way because it takes half as long and there are no errors. Kids are told to put their phones away then told to do research on a hopelessly outdated computer. school food is worse than prison food, and there is more security than you would find in a prison. We are taught mark schemes instead of science, and caused unnecessary stress by being told that a test to determine the teacher's teaching skills is as important to us as a GCSE. in math we are taught the things that a calculator is supposed to do. the system needs to catch up with the technology, we are not in the 1920's.
LoJkL

Con

What is a need?
In the context of this debate, what is a need? Is it an urge, is it an undeniable warrant? Pro has left this undefined and it is one of the flaws in the resolution itself that makes it near impossible to uphold. Can education itself need something or can the clients of it need it instead? Only a person or being can need something as far as I am aware and Pro has yet to explain how the unconscious, inanimate facility that is education can possibly need something in the first place.

What is an overhaul?
An overhaul is not simply making slight amendments to the current education system. It would be entirely recalibrating how education is delivered and who is doing the delivering to who as well as when is it all done. Pro has merely suggested sorting out the school dinners (which packed lunch is a viable alternative for) and to essentially make mathematics calculator-based only. The issue is that there is already calculator examinations for mathematics and students do not really find them all that easy as far as I am aware.

I await Pro's response.
Debate Round No. 1
phoenixgoldfire

Pro

What I meant was that the school system is a representation of future society and democracy for children. The basis's of democracy are as follows:
every citizen has certain basic rights that the state cannot take away from them. These rights are internationally recognized and guaranteed. Everyone has the right to have their own beliefs, including their religious beliefs, and to say and write what they think. Everyone has the right to seek different sources of information and ideas. Everyone has the right to associate with other people, and to form and join organizations of their own choice, including trade unions. Everyone has the right to assemble and to protest government actions. However, citizens have an obligation to exercise these rights peacefully, with respect for the law and for the rights of others. https://web.stanford.edu...
these are the absolute opposite of the school system, where there are harsh penalties for 'assembling and peacefully protesting' and there are often tight restrictions on 'forming and joining organisations'. this often restricts children from learning about the real world.
LoJkL

Con

LoJkL forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
phoenixgoldfire

Pro

year 6 SAT tests are an annual test to determine teaching skills (in teachers). The kids are told that it is to determine their (the kid's) skills in all subjects and will determine their path to GCSE. this causes a huge amount of stress for them to do well, and kids often spend all their time before the exam revising, rather than being kids. parental paranoia has gone too far in stopping kids from going outside, now exams are doing the same.
LoJkL

Con

LoJkL forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Blade0886 2 years ago
Blade0886
I couldn't disagree more about the whole "we have calculators to do it, we don't need to learn". First of all, people need to learn these things in order to build the calculators in the first place. Second of all, that would mean that you're shitty at mental calculations, and would be dependant on technology to do 1+1(intended over-exaggeration). I can't argue about food, although that is more akin to budget.
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Vote Placed by lannan13 2 years ago
lannan13
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